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> Yeah right because when someone calls people and asks effectively "do you support the war or do you want to go to jail" you totally get data that is not skewe

> Yeah right because when someone calls people and asks effectively "do you support the war or do you want to go to jail" you totally get data that is not skewed in any way whatsoever. That line of argument is old and tired and debunked. We also have witnessed in Europe the sad spectacle that is Russian diasporas throwing protests in support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and repeated violent attacks from Russian expats targeting Ukrainian refugees. https://www.newsweek.com/russians-ukrainian-refugees-attack-germany-1881408 https://www.newsweek.com/russians-ukrainian-refugees-attack-... It's very odd how this whole talk of oppression and free speech crackdowns only surfaces in the context of sanctions.

meiraleal 2y ago
> That line of argument is old and tired and debunked. Does the same apply to the Crimean status referendum?
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- aguaviva 2y ago
  It's non-issue really, as it was always bunk by definition. But it's also a different topic (in a thread that has already drifted wildly off-topic).
aguaviva 2y ago
[Talk of Europe overrun by Slavic brutes] Hate to have to point this out - but not only is this a complete non-story (just from first principles) -- but the piece you're quoting is itself is basically a standard tabloid-style scare article. I mean, just look at the title, will you: Russians Are Hunting Down Ukrainian Refugees in Heart of NATO That in itself should clue you into to the article's primary purpose -- not to provide useful information, but to keep you titillated by "that awful shiny thing over there", and inevitably wanting more, more, more. But it actually gets worse from there. Quoting Bild (a real-life, old school tabloid), when in all probability they could have connected with any of the fine regional papers up there, should have been another major red flag. Oh and did you try reading and breaking down the actual 3 stories it cites to support its grand thesis? Pop quiz - do they even pertain to the article's actual substantive claim? (Answer: the headline story doesn't apply at all; the second does (but it's an isolated incident with 1 confirmed perpetrator); and the last one does but only partially, as it obviously conflates with an entirely different issue). That's all it is, this article -- just adrenaline-pumping garbage. All rather harrowing what happened to the victims identified, and maybe there is something nefarious happening in Slovakia -- but articles like these just aren't useful go-to sources for any sense of what's really happening in the large. They exist simply to distract, distract, distract.

meiraleal 2y ago

> That line of argument is old and tired and debunked. Does the same apply to the Crimean status referendum?

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aguaviva 2y ago
It's non-issue really, as it was always bunk by definition. But it's also a different topic (in a thread that has already drifted wildly off-topic).

aguaviva 2y ago

[Talk of Europe overrun by Slavic brutes] Hate to have to point this out - but not only is this a complete non-story (just from first principles) -- but the piece you're quoting is itself is basically a standard tabloid-style scare article. I mean, just look at the title, will you: Russians Are Hunting Down Ukrainian Refugees in Heart of NATO That in itself should clue you into to the article's primary purpose -- not to provide useful information, but to keep you titillated by "that awful shiny thing over there", and inevitably wanting more, more, more. But it actually gets worse from there. Quoting Bild (a real-life, old school tabloid), when in all probability they could have connected with any of the fine regional papers up there, should have been another major red flag. Oh and did you try reading and breaking down the actual 3 stories it cites to support its grand thesis? Pop quiz - do they even pertain to the article's actual substantive claim? (Answer: the headline story doesn't apply at all; the second does (but it's an isolated incident with 1 confirmed perpetrator); and the last one does but only partially, as it obviously conflates with an entirely different issue). That's all it is, this article -- just adrenaline-pumping garbage. All rather harrowing what happened to the victims identified, and maybe there is something nefarious happening in Slovakia -- but articles like these just aren't useful go-to sources for any sense of what's really happening in the large. They exist simply to distract, distract, distract.