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You know, there are ways to enforce discipline that don't require abuse.

angersock 14y ago
There certainly are. However, for certain ages and situations, nothing gets the point across quite as succinctly or unambiguously as a sharp thwack or spanking. I wouldn't, however, consider that as discipline per se--that is something that takes a larger, longer-term sort of environment and character building than fast "don't do that" punishment.
- gnaritas 14y ago
  That is bad reasoning. Lots of things that you shouldn't do are effective, that doesn't make them any less wrong. That something works does not make it ok. The ends do not justify the means. It is no less wrong to hit your kid than to hit your spouse.
  - randallsquared 14y ago
    That something works does not make it ok. The ends do not justify the means. Depends on whether you're consequentialist or deontologicalist, I guess. For a consequentialist, nothing can make something okay other than that it works, and ends are the only thing that can justify any means. :)
  - larrys 14y ago
    "It is no less wrong to hit your kid than to hit your spouse." Presumably a spouse has more intelligence, maturity, and common sense than a child and is a peer (equal) that you can speak to and don't have to resort to "spanking" or much worse.
    - gnaritas 14y ago
      A person who can't outsmart a child has no business raising one. Words work just as effectively on children when applied consistently.
- antidaily 14y ago
  YOU need to watch Supernanny, holmes.
TheAmazingIdiot 14y ago
Unfortunately, police abuse is the coming standard. US schools in Texas, Florida, and other states are increasing buildup of cops in k-12 schools, along with the threat of arrest and deadly force by said cops. Class C misdeameaners are handed out in extreme regularity, with the common punishment is a fine or community service. Seems to me it's an intersection between the prison companies and school companies. source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/09/texas-police-schools http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/09/texas-police-sch...
- molmalo 14y ago
  It seems like they are trying to get kids used to have police guarding their every movements. So, when they grow up, it will seem pretty normal for them an increasing police state.
- briandear 14y ago
  Have you ever taught a public school? You'd want police too. Thug culture has infiltrated most public schools.
  - TheAmazingIdiot 14y ago
    I actually am a licensed substitute teacher. And I've served plenty of time in Indiana schools. Yeah, they do tend to get a wee bit rowdy, but I saw no violence or such in the classes I've been in. There has been the usual silliness like paper airplanes and such, but nothing that would get anybody hurt. I've also learned that they are respectful if you respect them. Tit for tat, with the benefit of the doubt.
    - briandear 14y ago
      Serving time is exactly the way I would have put it too.
- mynameishere 14y ago
  The police are there for liability reasons. If a teacher disciplines children a lawsuit occurs.
runawaybottle 14y ago
I'd imagine now days the threat of taking away internet/phone is more effective.

There certainly are. However, for certain ages and situations, nothing gets the point across quite as succinctly or unambiguously as a sharp thwack or spanking. I wouldn't, however, consider that as discipline per se--that is something that takes a larger, longer-term sort of environment and character building than fast "don't do that" punishment.

gnaritas 14y ago
That is bad reasoning. Lots of things that you shouldn't do are effective, that doesn't make them any less wrong. That something works does not make it ok. The ends do not justify the means. It is no less wrong to hit your kid than to hit your spouse.
- randallsquared 14y ago
  That something works does not make it ok. The ends do not justify the means. Depends on whether you're consequentialist or deontologicalist, I guess. For a consequentialist, nothing can make something okay other than that it works, and ends are the only thing that can justify any means. :)
- larrys 14y ago
  "It is no less wrong to hit your kid than to hit your spouse." Presumably a spouse has more intelligence, maturity, and common sense than a child and is a peer (equal) that you can speak to and don't have to resort to "spanking" or much worse.
  - gnaritas 14y ago
    A person who can't outsmart a child has no business raising one. Words work just as effectively on children when applied consistently.
antidaily 14y ago
YOU need to watch Supernanny, holmes.

TheAmazingIdiot 14y ago

Unfortunately, police abuse is the coming standard. US schools in Texas, Florida, and other states are increasing buildup of cops in k-12 schools, along with the threat of arrest and deadly force by said cops. Class C misdeameaners are handed out in extreme regularity, with the common punishment is a fine or community service. Seems to me it's an intersection between the prison companies and school companies. source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/09/texas-police-schools http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/09/texas-police-sch...

molmalo 14y ago
It seems like they are trying to get kids used to have police guarding their every movements. So, when they grow up, it will seem pretty normal for them an increasing police state.
briandear 14y ago
Have you ever taught a public school? You'd want police too. Thug culture has infiltrated most public schools.
- TheAmazingIdiot 14y ago
  I actually am a licensed substitute teacher. And I've served plenty of time in Indiana schools. Yeah, they do tend to get a wee bit rowdy, but I saw no violence or such in the classes I've been in. There has been the usual silliness like paper airplanes and such, but nothing that would get anybody hurt. I've also learned that they are respectful if you respect them. Tit for tat, with the benefit of the doubt.
  - briandear 14y ago
    Serving time is exactly the way I would have put it too.
mynameishere 14y ago
The police are there for liability reasons. If a teacher disciplines children a lawsuit occurs.

runawaybottle 14y ago

I'd imagine now days the threat of taking away internet/phone is more effective.