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This seems as good a place to ask as any: how does one obtain a (larger) block of IPv6 not via their ISP/datacenter and then route it (to a network they control

This seems as good a place to ask as any: how does one obtain a (larger) block of IPv6 not via their ISP/datacenter and then route it (to a network they control) through their ISP/datacenter-provided IPv6 uplink? Is that even possible?

ta1243 2y ago
You get yourself an AS and a registration and then talk to your ISPs about how to BGP peer with them. Read this to start wtih https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv6/first_request/#enduser https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv6/first_request/#end...
- ComputerGuru 2y ago
  Thanks. Same process as IPv4, but my question was more focused on the ??? magical last step of getting the ISP to advertise that route.
  - FL410 2y ago
    It’s not magical, it’s exactly the same as IPv4, you either peer with them via BGP and advertise it yourself, or you give them an LOA to advertise it on your behalf.
  - bauruine 2y ago
    You need to ask your ISP either to announce it with their own ASN or peer with you if you have your own.
  - colechristensen 2y ago
    Literally you just talk to your ISP. A support ticket or a technical phone contact. They'll either just do it for you or get you set up to announce your routes to them. You'll need an ISP that does actual business networking things, probably. I doubt Xfinity home service would do it for you.
    - londons_explore 2y ago
      > You'll need an ISP that does actual business networking things, probably. I doubt Xfinity home service would do it for you. It would be nice if someone made a wiki somewhere of which ISP's worldwide will do this on which plans. I'd really like to have two ISP's and BGP peer with both, so that if one goes down all my systems keep the same IP address and maintain connectivity. The whole idea of everyone having just one connection in a fragile tree-like structure seems against the original design goals of the internet.
      - colechristensen 2y ago
        >It would be nice if someone made a wiki somewhere of which ISP's worldwide will do this on which plans. More or less all of them with a business tier of service will do this. >I'd really like to have two ISP's and BGP peer with both, so that if one goes down all my systems keep the same IP address and maintain connectivity. The smallest subnet that is going to get advertised outside of your ISP (outside of the ASN you're in) is a /24, you can't have multiple ISPs and get that kind of address space for your personal stuff. The design goals of the Internet you're referring to are about networks not going offline, a global routing table with individual entries for every user is not sustainable.
        londons_explore 2y ago
        > The design goals of the Internet you're referring to are about networks not going offline, a global routing table with individual entries for every user is not sustainable. With a bit of a redesign it would be. Most mesh networks tackle this problem. In the worst case, a routing table entry for every human in the world is only 8 billion entries, which would fit in RAM on a typical server today. And every optimization you do dramatically reduces that number (eg. make users who have similar network configs and peers have neighbouring addresses, allowing you to coalesce potentially millions of users into a single route)
        colechristensen 2y ago
  - icehawk 2y ago
    Its no more magical than v4. In fact the BGP turn up call I usually have to do does both v4 and v6 at the same time.
- bauruine 2y ago
  You only need an ASN (and at least for RIPE it's a requirement) if you have multiple upstreams.
joe_bleau 2y ago
https://tunnelbroker.net/ https://tunnelbroker.net/ will give you a free IPv6 subnet and you can route it over your existing IPv4 link. I think you can get either a /64 or /48.
- ComputerGuru 2y ago
  Oh wow, I didn’t know they were still around! I used that to get an IPv6 address more than a decade ago; I think they used the bastardized IPv4-mapped-to-v6 address format at the time. But iirc it involved extra network hops because it was tunneled rather than routed, but maybe I’m misremembering. I’m guessing they have larger blocks for sale?
  - joe_bleau 2y ago
    Sorry to mislead--you're correct, it is a tunnel.
- karlshea 2y ago
  I had a tunnel with them I was using for a while, but ended up turning it off a couple of months ago. Any request to a CDN will be slower since you’re not hitting the cache closest to your actual ISP, and since it’s “a VPN” a lot of things start to break, need more captchas, or get blocked for you since there’s a higher level of abuse from HE’s tunnel broker IP blocks.
bauruine 2y ago
If you are in RIPE land you can get a PI (provider independent) /48 from a LIR (a RIPE member) and ask your datacenter to announce it. https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/ipv6/request-ipv6/how-to-request-an-ipv6-pi-assignment/ https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/ipv6/request-ipv6/h...

ta1243 2y ago

You get yourself an AS and a registration and then talk to your ISPs about how to BGP peer with them. Read this to start wtih https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv6/first_request/#enduser https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv6/first_request/#end...

ComputerGuru 2y ago
Thanks. Same process as IPv4, but my question was more focused on the ??? magical last step of getting the ISP to advertise that route.
- FL410 2y ago
  It’s not magical, it’s exactly the same as IPv4, you either peer with them via BGP and advertise it yourself, or you give them an LOA to advertise it on your behalf.
- bauruine 2y ago
  You need to ask your ISP either to announce it with their own ASN or peer with you if you have your own.
- colechristensen 2y ago
  Literally you just talk to your ISP. A support ticket or a technical phone contact. They'll either just do it for you or get you set up to announce your routes to them. You'll need an ISP that does actual business networking things, probably. I doubt Xfinity home service would do it for you.
  - londons_explore 2y ago
    > You'll need an ISP that does actual business networking things, probably. I doubt Xfinity home service would do it for you. It would be nice if someone made a wiki somewhere of which ISP's worldwide will do this on which plans. I'd really like to have two ISP's and BGP peer with both, so that if one goes down all my systems keep the same IP address and maintain connectivity. The whole idea of everyone having just one connection in a fragile tree-like structure seems against the original design goals of the internet.
    - colechristensen 2y ago
      >It would be nice if someone made a wiki somewhere of which ISP's worldwide will do this on which plans. More or less all of them with a business tier of service will do this. >I'd really like to have two ISP's and BGP peer with both, so that if one goes down all my systems keep the same IP address and maintain connectivity. The smallest subnet that is going to get advertised outside of your ISP (outside of the ASN you're in) is a /24, you can't have multiple ISPs and get that kind of address space for your personal stuff. The design goals of the Internet you're referring to are about networks not going offline, a global routing table with individual entries for every user is not sustainable.
      - londons_explore 2y ago
        > The design goals of the Internet you're referring to are about networks not going offline, a global routing table with individual entries for every user is not sustainable. With a bit of a redesign it would be. Most mesh networks tackle this problem. In the worst case, a routing table entry for every human in the world is only 8 billion entries, which would fit in RAM on a typical server today. And every optimization you do dramatically reduces that number (eg. make users who have similar network configs and peers have neighbouring addresses, allowing you to coalesce potentially millions of users into a single route)
        colechristensen 2y ago
- icehawk 2y ago
  Its no more magical than v4. In fact the BGP turn up call I usually have to do does both v4 and v6 at the same time.
bauruine 2y ago
You only need an ASN (and at least for RIPE it's a requirement) if you have multiple upstreams.

joe_bleau 2y ago

https://tunnelbroker.net/ https://tunnelbroker.net/ will give you a free IPv6 subnet and you can route it over your existing IPv4 link. I think you can get either a /64 or /48.

ComputerGuru 2y ago
Oh wow, I didn’t know they were still around! I used that to get an IPv6 address more than a decade ago; I think they used the bastardized IPv4-mapped-to-v6 address format at the time. But iirc it involved extra network hops because it was tunneled rather than routed, but maybe I’m misremembering. I’m guessing they have larger blocks for sale?
- joe_bleau 2y ago
  Sorry to mislead--you're correct, it is a tunnel.
karlshea 2y ago
I had a tunnel with them I was using for a while, but ended up turning it off a couple of months ago. Any request to a CDN will be slower since you’re not hitting the cache closest to your actual ISP, and since it’s “a VPN” a lot of things start to break, need more captchas, or get blocked for you since there’s a higher level of abuse from HE’s tunnel broker IP blocks.

bauruine 2y ago

If you are in RIPE land you can get a PI (provider independent) /48 from a LIR (a RIPE member) and ask your datacenter to announce it. https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/ipv6/request-ipv6/how-to-request-an-ipv6-pi-assignment/ https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/ipv6/request-ipv6/h...