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That's difficult, without openness or protectionism. How do you compete with iOS without supporting iOS apps, iCloud, and iMessage blue bubbles? The switching c

That's difficult, without openness or protectionism. How do you compete with iOS without supporting iOS apps, iCloud, and iMessage blue bubbles? The switching costs (practical, and psychological) are too high.

cbeach 2y ago
Android competes very healthily with Apple in the EU! Android is at nearly 70% OS market share: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/europe/ https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/europe/ [I say this as a keen iOS user]
- wizzwizz4 2y ago
  Android isn't competing with iOS. Apple users stay Apple users, mostly, and Android users stay Android users. Android manufacturers are competing with each other, but iPhones are their own thing.
  - bad_user 2y ago
    I'm an "Apple user" that switched from iPhone/iPad/Apple Watch to Android alternatives; while remaining a happy user of Macbooks. The statement doesn't make sense because people don't keep 2 phones in their pocket, or 2 smart watches, and rarely have 2 tablets that are actively used. And people definitely move between ecosystems. Choosing one excludes the other, and they have equivalents for each product type. Hence they are direct competitors. --- The real problem is that the mobile OS & app store market is a stable duopoly.
st3fan 2y ago
"How do you compete with iOS without supporting iOS apps, iCloud, and iMessage blue bubbles?" You build good alternatives for each of those.
- bad_user 2y ago
  That rarely works with monopolies. Ask Microsoft, who tried developing Windows Mobile after the market was taken over by iOS and Android. Or who still tries competing with Chrome without much success, despite it being pushed on Windows as the default, with annoying settings and ads included. Nevermind that they gave up developing their own engine because they couldn't keep up.
  - glenra 2y ago
    Microsoft has been doing various flavors of mobile OS development since LONG before iOS or Android. The first release of Windows CE was back in 1996, roughly contemporary with PalmOS and Apple's NewtonOS.
    - bad_user 2y ago
      Indeed, which makes their failure even more glaring, strengthening the argument that the mobile OS market is now an impenetrable duopoly. Nokia and BlackBerry found that out as well.

cbeach 2y ago

Android competes very healthily with Apple in the EU! Android is at nearly 70% OS market share: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/europe/ https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/europe/ [I say this as a keen iOS user]

wizzwizz4 2y ago
Android isn't competing with iOS. Apple users stay Apple users, mostly, and Android users stay Android users. Android manufacturers are competing with each other, but iPhones are their own thing.
- bad_user 2y ago
  I'm an "Apple user" that switched from iPhone/iPad/Apple Watch to Android alternatives; while remaining a happy user of Macbooks. The statement doesn't make sense because people don't keep 2 phones in their pocket, or 2 smart watches, and rarely have 2 tablets that are actively used. And people definitely move between ecosystems. Choosing one excludes the other, and they have equivalents for each product type. Hence they are direct competitors. --- The real problem is that the mobile OS & app store market is a stable duopoly.

st3fan 2y ago

"How do you compete with iOS without supporting iOS apps, iCloud, and iMessage blue bubbles?" You build good alternatives for each of those.

bad_user 2y ago
That rarely works with monopolies. Ask Microsoft, who tried developing Windows Mobile after the market was taken over by iOS and Android. Or who still tries competing with Chrome without much success, despite it being pushed on Windows as the default, with annoying settings and ads included. Nevermind that they gave up developing their own engine because they couldn't keep up.
- glenra 2y ago
  Microsoft has been doing various flavors of mobile OS development since LONG before iOS or Android. The first release of Windows CE was back in 1996, roughly contemporary with PalmOS and Apple's NewtonOS.
  - bad_user 2y ago
    Indeed, which makes their failure even more glaring, strengthening the argument that the mobile OS market is now an impenetrable duopoly. Nokia and BlackBerry found that out as well.