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This kind of snake oil stuff should be illegal as it only enables abuse of people with such condition. I can easily picture this: "concerned relative / partne

This kind of snake oil stuff should be illegal as it only enables abuse of people with such condition. I can easily picture this: "concerned relative / partner"> You could be much better if only you tried this <insert name of magic cure / device> person with condition> I have researched this, these things don't work, it is a waste of time and money. "concerned relative / partner"> No, you just don't want to get better! I am really losing patience with you. Why don't you want to get help!?

aniviacat 2y ago
> No, you just don't want to get better! I am really losing patience with you. Why don't you want to get help!? I do not understand why people choose someone who says stuff like this as their partner.
- Ensorceled 2y ago
  There a lot of people who say "I love you just the way you are", but think "I can mold them into my perfect partner".
- VoreLuka 2y ago
  Abusive relationships exist, also its not just grey and white. Oftentimes at the beginning of a relationship everything seems fine and happy but as time goes on the bad stuff shows up, one partner can't handle the others adhd sympoms and this kind of conversation can show up Besides your parent mentioned relatives as well. You don't choose those
- deleted 2y ago
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- willcipriano 2y ago
  Often these "unchangeable" personal faults are revealed after a commitment like marriage, children or signing a lease together. Now all of the sudden you are a full time in home aide for your former partner. As for why the person with the problems doesn't leave, they don't want to have to spend a few months/years as a contributing partner to trick someone into caring for them again.
- varispeed 2y ago
  These things don't come out on the first date, they can develop over the years at which point you become stuck with that person (could be children, pets, property and other stuff). Many people are simply trapped - they cannot leave because they won't have money to get some place to live, they got cut out of their friends / family and are controlled by fear ("If you leave me I am going to kill myself and leave a note that you did it, you'll go to jail" or "Without me you are nothing, you are worthless, you won't find anyone and you'll die alone" etc).
theptip 2y ago
The FDA makes life very difficult for companies making medical claims that are false. I cannot see this device actually coming to market in the US without rigorous studies demonstrating efficacy. (No idea how strict Australia is…) The article is nothing more than a fundraising pitch. There is no product on the market yet.
rendx 2y ago
Great if this happens, since it uncovers ongoing unhealthy relationship patterns, and makes them more visible. It does absolutely nothing to enable them. To label it "abuse" immediately is modern, but not necessarily the most beneficial perspective if you want to grow with each other. You may also not always be in the position to choose who you interact with (e.g. relatives). Then you can still work on why (and how) you would care about _their_ problem, and not make it yours. Seems to be a confusion here about who has the "condition"/problem?
- varispeed 2y ago
  Now that's some gaslighting here. These products give false hope and are triggering for people susceptible for it which leads to abuse.
  - rendx 2y ago
    Can you explain what do you mean by "gaslighting" in this context? We seem to have a different understanding of what that term means?
    - varispeed 2y ago
      Gaslighting is when someone manipulates you into questioning your own perception or reality. By dismissing the concern, minimising the abuse, and subtly shifting blame, you're continuing to do just that - making me question whether the emotional manipulation described is valid, which is exactly what gaslighting is.
      - rendx 2y ago
        Gaslighting is not simply someone sharing a different perspective than you. It requires an ongoing relationship with dependencies, and orchestration. By using the term for simple situations like this, you are minimizing what actual gaslighting entails, and how destructive it can be for someone's psyche. https://time.com/6262891/psychology-terms-misused-gaslighting-toxic-narcissist/ https://time.com/6262891/psychology-terms-misused-gaslightin... How are you reading my comment as something where I make you doubt your perception? Can we not simply disagree, and share our different perspectives? Can we not hold different opinions about things, even concurrently, in our minds? I can unfold, and explain my position more, if you're interested. This is a place of discussion, after all. How would you say should I describe my opinion so you don't receive it as gaslighting? I did not mean to imply that the emotional manipulation is not "valid". I was trying to say that it can be handled in a way where the person with the problem, which is the person consciously or unconsciously trying to employ manipulation (likely because they were raised like that) can be provided with an opportunity to learn and grow. We all were raised more or less in manipulative ways, so we all are carrying it inside. A relationship can be the place to heal it, if both partners want to do that. It's not the gadget that enables abuse. Abusers will find whatever "tools" and situations to do that. This was my point. A hammer is a hammer, and it's not the hammer's fault if someone uses it to smash in my head. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle

aniviacat 2y ago

> No, you just don't want to get better! I am really losing patience with you. Why don't you want to get help!? I do not understand why people choose someone who says stuff like this as their partner.

Ensorceled 2y ago
There a lot of people who say "I love you just the way you are", but think "I can mold them into my perfect partner".
VoreLuka 2y ago
Abusive relationships exist, also its not just grey and white. Oftentimes at the beginning of a relationship everything seems fine and happy but as time goes on the bad stuff shows up, one partner can't handle the others adhd sympoms and this kind of conversation can show up Besides your parent mentioned relatives as well. You don't choose those
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willcipriano 2y ago
Often these "unchangeable" personal faults are revealed after a commitment like marriage, children or signing a lease together. Now all of the sudden you are a full time in home aide for your former partner. As for why the person with the problems doesn't leave, they don't want to have to spend a few months/years as a contributing partner to trick someone into caring for them again.
varispeed 2y ago
These things don't come out on the first date, they can develop over the years at which point you become stuck with that person (could be children, pets, property and other stuff). Many people are simply trapped - they cannot leave because they won't have money to get some place to live, they got cut out of their friends / family and are controlled by fear ("If you leave me I am going to kill myself and leave a note that you did it, you'll go to jail" or "Without me you are nothing, you are worthless, you won't find anyone and you'll die alone" etc).

theptip 2y ago

The FDA makes life very difficult for companies making medical claims that are false. I cannot see this device actually coming to market in the US without rigorous studies demonstrating efficacy. (No idea how strict Australia is…) The article is nothing more than a fundraising pitch. There is no product on the market yet.

rendx 2y ago

Great if this happens, since it uncovers ongoing unhealthy relationship patterns, and makes them more visible. It does absolutely nothing to enable them. To label it "abuse" immediately is modern, but not necessarily the most beneficial perspective if you want to grow with each other. You may also not always be in the position to choose who you interact with (e.g. relatives). Then you can still work on why (and how) you would care about _their_ problem, and not make it yours. Seems to be a confusion here about who has the "condition"/problem?

varispeed 2y ago
Now that's some gaslighting here. These products give false hope and are triggering for people susceptible for it which leads to abuse.
- rendx 2y ago
  Can you explain what do you mean by "gaslighting" in this context? We seem to have a different understanding of what that term means?
  - varispeed 2y ago
    Gaslighting is when someone manipulates you into questioning your own perception or reality. By dismissing the concern, minimising the abuse, and subtly shifting blame, you're continuing to do just that - making me question whether the emotional manipulation described is valid, which is exactly what gaslighting is.
    - rendx 2y ago
      Gaslighting is not simply someone sharing a different perspective than you. It requires an ongoing relationship with dependencies, and orchestration. By using the term for simple situations like this, you are minimizing what actual gaslighting entails, and how destructive it can be for someone's psyche. https://time.com/6262891/psychology-terms-misused-gaslighting-toxic-narcissist/ https://time.com/6262891/psychology-terms-misused-gaslightin... How are you reading my comment as something where I make you doubt your perception? Can we not simply disagree, and share our different perspectives? Can we not hold different opinions about things, even concurrently, in our minds? I can unfold, and explain my position more, if you're interested. This is a place of discussion, after all. How would you say should I describe my opinion so you don't receive it as gaslighting? I did not mean to imply that the emotional manipulation is not "valid". I was trying to say that it can be handled in a way where the person with the problem, which is the person consciously or unconsciously trying to employ manipulation (likely because they were raised like that) can be provided with an opportunity to learn and grow. We all were raised more or less in manipulative ways, so we all are carrying it inside. A relationship can be the place to heal it, if both partners want to do that. It's not the gadget that enables abuse. Abusers will find whatever "tools" and situations to do that. This was my point. A hammer is a hammer, and it's not the hammer's fault if someone uses it to smash in my head. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle