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Would you prefer they bomb a house, school, or mosque, or some other place where they hangout with civilians to use then as shields? Because when they did that

Would you prefer they bomb a house, school, or mosque, or some other place where they hangout with civilians to use then as shields? Because when they did that everyone was up in arms, and now they try a more targeted approach and they're "terrorists"...meanwhile Putin is basically trying to make a whole country freeze this year and I hardly anyone complains all calls him a terrorist, apparently, that's fine? Israel is held to some impossibly high standards. Makes me wonder why? Hezbollah has recently launched rockets into Israel and killed 11 children...as a start.

barbequeer 2y ago
> ...meanwhile Putin is basically trying to make a whole country freeze this year and I don't hear anyone complain. You haven't heard anyone complain about Russia invading Ukraine?
- bamboozled 2y ago
  What I hear is people hysterically screaming about how "Palestine" has a "right to defend itself" then I see a bunch of kids screaming "from the river to the sea" on Campus. I don't see anyone protest like that for Ukraine, or the Uighur population in China, do you know why? Because Iran is funding universities and creating useful idiots: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-finances-u-s-campus-protests-top-intel-official/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-finances-u-s-camp... So I mean, people complain about Ukraine, but it's a different type of complaining. Ukraine is actually being invaded and Russia is actually trying to commit genocide of Ukraine and Ukrainian culture. But seemingly, most people don't care. I (unfortunately) logged into Instagram today, and some 28 year old woman I know was posting all this Pro Hizbollah stuff, with quotes like "enough is enough". I have never seen that person post anything about children getting blown up by Russia...Why is that? I deleted the app again :)
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    I don't see anyone protest like that for Ukraine, or the Uighur population in China, do you know why? Because of anything Iran is doing, no. But rather, and very simply because their own government (and to some extent their colleges directly, via their endowment funds) is/are supporting the genocide in Palestine, while at least doing something about the other 2. That, and because Palestine resonates with their social justice narratives, and "strikes a chord" with them ideologically and psychologically in a certain way that the other 2 genocides do not. You can make of this fixation what you want. But by all indications -- those are the drivers. Nothing whatsoever to do with Iran. And it's really very straightforward actually. Don't let yourself be bamboozled by scare stories in National Review, please.
    - bamboozled 2y ago
      You provided zero refutations to that information except an opinion?
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        It wasn't an opinion, it was an observation.
arresin 2y ago
“World you prefer they go and kill 16,000 civilians in carpet bombing in residential areas?! Ha didn’t think so!” https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-how-many-palestinians-has-israels-campaign-killed-2024-07-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-ho...
- bamboozled 2y ago
  Hamas is responsible for the 16k people killed, they: * Use their people as human shields. * Spent billions of dollars on aid to build "attack tunnels" and buy weapons rather than spend it on education, health care, diplomacy and a real defense force. * Broke the cease fire on October 7 by going on an ecstatic, orgy of violence against innocent people at a peace and love festival. * Failed to return the hostages and murdered many of them. * Failed to negotiate a peace deal for their people and bravely handing themselves in. * Started a war without considering or caring about the consequences for their people. * Brainwashed their own people to hate Jews and take up arms to it's impossible to distinguish soldiers and civilians. * They've even brainwashed children to become "martyrs" * Launched rockets into civilian areas in Israel every day. * Setup headquarters in hospitals and schools... The list goes on, but Hamas started this latest round of violence, they are responsible. I repeat again, there was a ceasefire on October 7. People calling for a ceasefire in Gaza have to understand this, and they have to understand these fanatics would just regroup and attack again. Look at how Russia and Ukraine keep their military assets away from civilian populations, then look at what Hamas does, there is zero moral equivalence here. Putin is a total psycho monster, but even he doesn't build arms making facilities in residential areas. Jihadists use our morals against us, they're extremely good at manipulation, they're ok with a hospital being bombed so long as it gets an emotional response and incites hatred against Jews. Which is working, clearly.
  - arresin 2y ago
    Who dropped the bombs? Really, I think your effort[1] would be better spent on someone else. [1]: https://mondediplo.com/2024/05/03hasbara https://mondediplo.com/2024/05/03hasbara
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Hackbraten 2y ago
Unlike rockets and other military weapons, electronic household gadgets that unexpectedly explode in your face nationwide is absolutely a thing that induces terror and fear. As a civilian, I can feel reasonably safe in my home but this supply chain attack upends everything. Contrary to what most consumers believe, there are layers upon layers of resellers and licensed subcontractors of manufacturers. Platforms such as Amazon comingle their inventory. So what will detonate next? My RTL-SDR stick at home that I unluckily happened to purchase from a comingled manipulated Amazon batch? This is nothing short of scandalous, and I wonder how Mossad agents can even sleep at night.
- moron123 2y ago
  I think you demonstrated the exact purpose of the attack. Mossad doesn't kill fo fun, they kill to prevent others from killing them. So yes, they can now sleep at night thanks to this attack.
- JoeyBananas 2y ago
  I think this is an important point and I agree that this pager bombing fits the definition of terrorism. Terrorism = Firing a blank cartridge from a gun in a crowded movie theater. Even if it was only a blank cartridge, the entire theater and surrounding businesses need to be rapidly evacuated and cleared by the SWAT team, children are traumatized, it makes the local newspaper, theater has to hire an armed guard and invests in security cameras...
JoeyBananas 2y ago
Gaza looks like the aftermath of a major WWII battle, and it has been that way for years because of an air/sea/land blockade that prevents efforts to rebuild. Not just the residential buildings are destroyed, but also water/energy infrastructure. Due to the demographics of Gaza, this mostly impacts women and children. So, it is undeniable that Israel bombed infrastructure knowing that it is mostly women and children who will be harmed. Putin absolutely 100% does not do that kind of bombing in Ukraine. Even contested cities do not look 1/10th as bad ad Gaza. And he has helped cities such as Mariupol rebuild... I recommend honestly considering the possibility that your opinion on this topic is based on lies. Sorry to break the news to you, but reality is a bitch
- mopsi 2y ago
  > Putin absolutely 100% does not do that kind of bombing in Ukraine. Even contested cities do not look 1/10th as bad ad Gaza. Yes they do, contested Ukrainian cities are literally reduced to rubble, cease to exist: https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1632070651170410496 https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1632070651170410496 Ukrainian forces abandon these cities in the East one by one as Russians completely flatten them with artillery and massive glide bombs, leaving no place to shelter. They're just open wastelands by the end of it, as if a nuclear bomb had gone off.
  - dunekid 2y ago
    Not really replying to the above comment, but Do we think Putin should have bombed Gaza? Atleast there would have been sanctions against the bombing entity. Their athletes could have been banned, unlike the ITF people who goes to Olympics after committing crimes against humanity in Gaza. The double standards are not just bad, they are literally evil, I must say.
    - mopsi 2y ago
      The current war began with a surprise attack that included airlanding into a music festival, murdering as many as they could and kidnapping people like Shani Louk, a 22-year-old tattoo artist, who were brought into Gaza from the festival, tortured and murdered. She was last recorded on a pickup truck, lifeless, legs visibly broken, as local men spit on her and record that with their phones. A still from the video: https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1ibyhP.img?w=768&h=576&m=6 https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1i... I don't think scenes like these did any favors to the people of Gaza when it comes to international sympathy. Such behavior doesn't leave many options either. I have little doubt most countries would've responded the same way as Israel did.

barbequeer 2y ago

> ...meanwhile Putin is basically trying to make a whole country freeze this year and I don't hear anyone complain. You haven't heard anyone complain about Russia invading Ukraine?

bamboozled 2y ago
What I hear is people hysterically screaming about how "Palestine" has a "right to defend itself" then I see a bunch of kids screaming "from the river to the sea" on Campus. I don't see anyone protest like that for Ukraine, or the Uighur population in China, do you know why? Because Iran is funding universities and creating useful idiots: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-finances-u-s-campus-protests-top-intel-official/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-finances-u-s-camp... So I mean, people complain about Ukraine, but it's a different type of complaining. Ukraine is actually being invaded and Russia is actually trying to commit genocide of Ukraine and Ukrainian culture. But seemingly, most people don't care. I (unfortunately) logged into Instagram today, and some 28 year old woman I know was posting all this Pro Hizbollah stuff, with quotes like "enough is enough". I have never seen that person post anything about children getting blown up by Russia...Why is that? I deleted the app again :)
- aguaviva 2y ago
  I don't see anyone protest like that for Ukraine, or the Uighur population in China, do you know why? Because of anything Iran is doing, no. But rather, and very simply because their own government (and to some extent their colleges directly, via their endowment funds) is/are supporting the genocide in Palestine, while at least doing something about the other 2. That, and because Palestine resonates with their social justice narratives, and "strikes a chord" with them ideologically and psychologically in a certain way that the other 2 genocides do not. You can make of this fixation what you want. But by all indications -- those are the drivers. Nothing whatsoever to do with Iran. And it's really very straightforward actually. Don't let yourself be bamboozled by scare stories in National Review, please.
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    You provided zero refutations to that information except an opinion?
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      It wasn't an opinion, it was an observation.

arresin 2y ago

“World you prefer they go and kill 16,000 civilians in carpet bombing in residential areas?! Ha didn’t think so!” https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-how-many-palestinians-has-israels-campaign-killed-2024-07-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-ho...

bamboozled 2y ago
Hamas is responsible for the 16k people killed, they: * Use their people as human shields. * Spent billions of dollars on aid to build "attack tunnels" and buy weapons rather than spend it on education, health care, diplomacy and a real defense force. * Broke the cease fire on October 7 by going on an ecstatic, orgy of violence against innocent people at a peace and love festival. * Failed to return the hostages and murdered many of them. * Failed to negotiate a peace deal for their people and bravely handing themselves in. * Started a war without considering or caring about the consequences for their people. * Brainwashed their own people to hate Jews and take up arms to it's impossible to distinguish soldiers and civilians. * They've even brainwashed children to become "martyrs" * Launched rockets into civilian areas in Israel every day. * Setup headquarters in hospitals and schools... The list goes on, but Hamas started this latest round of violence, they are responsible. I repeat again, there was a ceasefire on October 7. People calling for a ceasefire in Gaza have to understand this, and they have to understand these fanatics would just regroup and attack again. Look at how Russia and Ukraine keep their military assets away from civilian populations, then look at what Hamas does, there is zero moral equivalence here. Putin is a total psycho monster, but even he doesn't build arms making facilities in residential areas. Jihadists use our morals against us, they're extremely good at manipulation, they're ok with a hospital being bombed so long as it gets an emotional response and incites hatred against Jews. Which is working, clearly.
- arresin 2y ago
  Who dropped the bombs? Really, I think your effort[1] would be better spent on someone else. [1]: https://mondediplo.com/2024/05/03hasbara https://mondediplo.com/2024/05/03hasbara
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Hackbraten 2y ago

Unlike rockets and other military weapons, electronic household gadgets that unexpectedly explode in your face nationwide is absolutely a thing that induces terror and fear. As a civilian, I can feel reasonably safe in my home but this supply chain attack upends everything. Contrary to what most consumers believe, there are layers upon layers of resellers and licensed subcontractors of manufacturers. Platforms such as Amazon comingle their inventory. So what will detonate next? My RTL-SDR stick at home that I unluckily happened to purchase from a comingled manipulated Amazon batch? This is nothing short of scandalous, and I wonder how Mossad agents can even sleep at night.

moron123 2y ago
I think you demonstrated the exact purpose of the attack. Mossad doesn't kill fo fun, they kill to prevent others from killing them. So yes, they can now sleep at night thanks to this attack.
JoeyBananas 2y ago
I think this is an important point and I agree that this pager bombing fits the definition of terrorism. Terrorism = Firing a blank cartridge from a gun in a crowded movie theater. Even if it was only a blank cartridge, the entire theater and surrounding businesses need to be rapidly evacuated and cleared by the SWAT team, children are traumatized, it makes the local newspaper, theater has to hire an armed guard and invests in security cameras...

JoeyBananas 2y ago

Gaza looks like the aftermath of a major WWII battle, and it has been that way for years because of an air/sea/land blockade that prevents efforts to rebuild. Not just the residential buildings are destroyed, but also water/energy infrastructure. Due to the demographics of Gaza, this mostly impacts women and children. So, it is undeniable that Israel bombed infrastructure knowing that it is mostly women and children who will be harmed. Putin absolutely 100% does not do that kind of bombing in Ukraine. Even contested cities do not look 1/10th as bad ad Gaza. And he has helped cities such as Mariupol rebuild... I recommend honestly considering the possibility that your opinion on this topic is based on lies. Sorry to break the news to you, but reality is a bitch

mopsi 2y ago
> Putin absolutely 100% does not do that kind of bombing in Ukraine. Even contested cities do not look 1/10th as bad ad Gaza. Yes they do, contested Ukrainian cities are literally reduced to rubble, cease to exist: https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1632070651170410496 https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1632070651170410496 Ukrainian forces abandon these cities in the East one by one as Russians completely flatten them with artillery and massive glide bombs, leaving no place to shelter. They're just open wastelands by the end of it, as if a nuclear bomb had gone off.
- dunekid 2y ago
  Not really replying to the above comment, but Do we think Putin should have bombed Gaza? Atleast there would have been sanctions against the bombing entity. Their athletes could have been banned, unlike the ITF people who goes to Olympics after committing crimes against humanity in Gaza. The double standards are not just bad, they are literally evil, I must say.
  - mopsi 2y ago
    The current war began with a surprise attack that included airlanding into a music festival, murdering as many as they could and kidnapping people like Shani Louk, a 22-year-old tattoo artist, who were brought into Gaza from the festival, tortured and murdered. She was last recorded on a pickup truck, lifeless, legs visibly broken, as local men spit on her and record that with their phones. A still from the video: https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1ibyhP.img?w=768&h=576&m=6 https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1i... I don't think scenes like these did any favors to the people of Gaza when it comes to international sympathy. Such behavior doesn't leave many options either. I have little doubt most countries would've responded the same way as Israel did.