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It’s awesome to see totalitarian theocracies make advances in technologies that have parallel military uses?

InDubioProRubio 2y ago
The totalitarian Theocracy is 40 years old- one generation. Before that it was and always has been the Persians. Intellectual powerhouse of the middle east. Cairo-Bhagdad-Teheran - that was were its at, before they ran into the regions resource limit and adapted a religion that is great at eternal, zero-sum wars and paranoid delusions about external influence and bad at everything else.
- liamwire 2y ago
  I’m aware of the history of Iran, and your comment is entirely irrelevant. I can’t celebrate the advances of a country that’s openly hostile towards fundamental human rights. Nor do I think anyone else should, either.
- netsharc 2y ago
  God (or Allah?), your view of this religion is so biased and warped, I don't even know why I'm wasting time thinking maybe I can point some despicable idiot to some enlightment. Ever consider that it's humans that are warped, and they abuse any institution possible for their own selfish means? Many religions fall victim to this, including those you view more favorably than Islam.
  - InDubioProRubio 2y ago
    The idea is perfect, its claim to power is it being well suited to govern humans, which it declares flawed and warped. Thus making the idea flawed and warped and unsuited to govern actual humans.
- delta_p_delta_x 2y ago
  > before they ran into the regions resource limit and adapted a religion They didn't 'run into the regions [sic] resource limit and adapt a religion'; said religion was forced upon them by the sword. Iran's state religion (if you could call it that) was Zoroastrianism. There are zero Zoroastrians left in Iran; most of them have fled to... India. And said religion ripped through the Indian subcontinent, too; it is why Pakistan and Bangladesh are separate nations today.
- lm28469 2y ago
  > The totalitarian Theocracy is 40 years old- one generation. ~70% of the current population was born under it, it's all it takes to completely destroy a nation
Almondsetat 2y ago
You're right. Nations we don't like should stay in the stone age, especially the people.
- liamwire 2y ago
  A poor strawman. I emphatically wish the best for the Iranian people, but only their government would have you conflate the two.
- wiseowise 2y ago
  > Nations we don't like Autocratic hellhole that oppresses its people, sponsors terrorist groups and supports kleptocracy that destroys Ukraine right now. You’re phrasing “don’t like” like we’re talking about food preferences or color of clothes.
  - Mehcure 2y ago
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voidUpdate 2y ago
I mean, haven't the majority of rocket developments been towards military uses? Does anything not have parallel military uses these days?
- liamwire 2y ago
  You make a good point, though I don’t think it’s counter to mine.
yawboakye 2y ago
you seem not to like how iran is setup, which makes it absolutely necessary that they’re able to put up a resistance should people who think like you attack them. as far as the universe goes, many beliefs about ways of human society organization exist. democracy works for one, not for the other. in fact, democracy has been the undoing of my home country. but it has made us subservient to the west, so naturally the west ‘supports’ our democracy. i wish we’d have some sense to re-examine this strange political experiment of ours, that’s barely 50 years old, and has given us nothing but misery. if we do, we might face opposition from the democracy shmemocracy faithfuls, in which case being able to violently resist any attack will be important.
- liamwire 2y ago
  That’s a lot of words to argue agent the right for humans to self-determine their own governance and fate. Sincerely, I see no compelling argument that can be made in support of the restrictions Iran places upon its citizens. Please make one, with specifics, if you’re interested in discussing it.
  - gryzzly 2y ago
    The fanatics in the gov are kept through aliance with other similar kleptocrats like Putin and Kims, has nothing to do with self determination
  - aniviacat 2y ago
    If you truly believe that people who do not follow the laws of your religion will go to eternal hell, it does make a lot of sense, and really is completely morally sound, to push others into following the laws using any means necessary. I'm not religious myself. But in my country, if someone is actively suicidal (say they are standing on top of a building, planning to jump) they are (forcefully) stopped. I think that's a good thing. Now, of I was religious, I would believe that sinning (and therefore going to hell) would be way way way worse to do to oneself, even when compared to suicide. So just like I agree with forcefully preventing someone from following their will to commit suicide, I would probably agree with forcefully preventing people from sinning. If you are religious (and believe that sinning = hell), these laws make a lot of sense. Perhaps they should be even harsher.

The totalitarian Theocracy is 40 years old- one generation. Before that it was and always has been the Persians. Intellectual powerhouse of the middle east. Cairo-Bhagdad-Teheran - that was were its at, before they ran into the regions resource limit and adapted a religion that is great at eternal, zero-sum wars and paranoid delusions about external influence and bad at everything else.

liamwire 2y ago
I’m aware of the history of Iran, and your comment is entirely irrelevant. I can’t celebrate the advances of a country that’s openly hostile towards fundamental human rights. Nor do I think anyone else should, either.
netsharc 2y ago
God (or Allah?), your view of this religion is so biased and warped, I don't even know why I'm wasting time thinking maybe I can point some despicable idiot to some enlightment. Ever consider that it's humans that are warped, and they abuse any institution possible for their own selfish means? Many religions fall victim to this, including those you view more favorably than Islam.
- InDubioProRubio 2y ago
  The idea is perfect, its claim to power is it being well suited to govern humans, which it declares flawed and warped. Thus making the idea flawed and warped and unsuited to govern actual humans.
delta_p_delta_x 2y ago
> before they ran into the regions resource limit and adapted a religion They didn't 'run into the regions [sic] resource limit and adapt a religion'; said religion was forced upon them by the sword. Iran's state religion (if you could call it that) was Zoroastrianism. There are zero Zoroastrians left in Iran; most of them have fled to... India. And said religion ripped through the Indian subcontinent, too; it is why Pakistan and Bangladesh are separate nations today.
lm28469 2y ago
> The totalitarian Theocracy is 40 years old- one generation. ~70% of the current population was born under it, it's all it takes to completely destroy a nation

Almondsetat 2y ago

You're right. Nations we don't like should stay in the stone age, especially the people.

liamwire 2y ago
A poor strawman. I emphatically wish the best for the Iranian people, but only their government would have you conflate the two.
wiseowise 2y ago
> Nations we don't like Autocratic hellhole that oppresses its people, sponsors terrorist groups and supports kleptocracy that destroys Ukraine right now. You’re phrasing “don’t like” like we’re talking about food preferences or color of clothes.
- Mehcure 2y ago
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voidUpdate 2y ago

I mean, haven't the majority of rocket developments been towards military uses? Does anything not have parallel military uses these days?

liamwire 2y ago
You make a good point, though I don’t think it’s counter to mine.

yawboakye 2y ago

you seem not to like how iran is setup, which makes it absolutely necessary that they’re able to put up a resistance should people who think like you attack them. as far as the universe goes, many beliefs about ways of human society organization exist. democracy works for one, not for the other. in fact, democracy has been the undoing of my home country. but it has made us subservient to the west, so naturally the west ‘supports’ our democracy. i wish we’d have some sense to re-examine this strange political experiment of ours, that’s barely 50 years old, and has given us nothing but misery. if we do, we might face opposition from the democracy shmemocracy faithfuls, in which case being able to violently resist any attack will be important.

liamwire 2y ago
That’s a lot of words to argue agent the right for humans to self-determine their own governance and fate. Sincerely, I see no compelling argument that can be made in support of the restrictions Iran places upon its citizens. Please make one, with specifics, if you’re interested in discussing it.
- gryzzly 2y ago
  The fanatics in the gov are kept through aliance with other similar kleptocrats like Putin and Kims, has nothing to do with self determination
- aniviacat 2y ago
  If you truly believe that people who do not follow the laws of your religion will go to eternal hell, it does make a lot of sense, and really is completely morally sound, to push others into following the laws using any means necessary. I'm not religious myself. But in my country, if someone is actively suicidal (say they are standing on top of a building, planning to jump) they are (forcefully) stopped. I think that's a good thing. Now, of I was religious, I would believe that sinning (and therefore going to hell) would be way way way worse to do to oneself, even when compared to suicide. So just like I agree with forcefully preventing someone from following their will to commit suicide, I would probably agree with forcefully preventing people from sinning. If you are religious (and believe that sinning = hell), these laws make a lot of sense. Perhaps they should be even harsher.