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Pagers I understand but I have two walkie-talkies at home so it’s definitely not something reserved for military use. I hope these attacks don’t continue onto m

by _lvbh 2y ago

Pagers I understand but I have two walkie-talkies at home so it’s definitely not something reserved for military use. I hope these attacks don’t continue onto more civilian focused products

preisschild 2y ago
Apparently they were modified in the supply chain, so they might only send "prepared" Walkie Talkies to Hezbollah
- rightbyte 2y ago
  The rethorical Amazon of Lebanon doesn't comingle inventory? I am paranoid about new hardware as it is. Especially those with radio tranceivers. And that was before we knew Shin Bet have been massproducing consumer gadgets that blow up in your face.
  - giladamar 2y ago
    As I understand, and I'm not sure many do at the moment, Hezbollah put in a very specific order from a specific supplier. It is not the case that they just used their local/national stores and bought out pagers from some common supply available to ordinary civilians. Their destination was known. Can't really comment on your paranoia regarding new hardware. I can't say there's no reason not to be with surveillance tools everywhere. However, unless you're putting in orders for a terrorist organisation I don't think you need to worry that the Shin Bet will willy nilly add explosives.
eviks 2y ago
Neither are pagers, strange to tie understanding to what you personally have at home
- worthless-trash 2y ago
  People associate behavior and objects with things they are familiar with. This gives them some kind of grounding in context so they can more easily dissociate with potential threats. There is a good example of this in batman, which outlines the situation well. The joker says: Nobody panics when things go “according to plan.” Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it’s all “part of the plan.” But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds! We expect that soldiers and gang bangers have risks associated with that behavior, but mayors should not. Same with this the GP wants to believe that the pager is in a different class of 'risk' than the walkie talkie at home, and now walkie talkies are used in an attack, they are adjusting their world view. Edit: Spelling and punctuation. I could just be talking out of my ass too.
echoangle 2y ago
Does it not entirely depend on the delivery mechanism? If I receive an order from the US military for Radios and I put bombs in them, what would be the risk of hitting civilians when detonating them? Wouldn't that be OK because the probability of a military Radio being given to someone non-military is negligible? If you undermine the Hezbollah supply chain and specifically deliver to them, isn't that pretty targeted?
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by _lvbh 2y ago

Pagers I understand but I have two walkie-talkies at home so it’s definitely not something reserved for military use. I hope these attacks don’t continue onto more civilian focused products

preisschild 2y ago

Apparently they were modified in the supply chain, so they might only send "prepared" Walkie Talkies to Hezbollah

rightbyte 2y ago
The rethorical Amazon of Lebanon doesn't comingle inventory? I am paranoid about new hardware as it is. Especially those with radio tranceivers. And that was before we knew Shin Bet have been massproducing consumer gadgets that blow up in your face.
- giladamar 2y ago
  As I understand, and I'm not sure many do at the moment, Hezbollah put in a very specific order from a specific supplier. It is not the case that they just used their local/national stores and bought out pagers from some common supply available to ordinary civilians. Their destination was known. Can't really comment on your paranoia regarding new hardware. I can't say there's no reason not to be with surveillance tools everywhere. However, unless you're putting in orders for a terrorist organisation I don't think you need to worry that the Shin Bet will willy nilly add explosives.

eviks 2y ago

Neither are pagers, strange to tie understanding to what you personally have at home

worthless-trash 2y ago
People associate behavior and objects with things they are familiar with. This gives them some kind of grounding in context so they can more easily dissociate with potential threats. There is a good example of this in batman, which outlines the situation well. The joker says: Nobody panics when things go “according to plan.” Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it’s all “part of the plan.” But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds! We expect that soldiers and gang bangers have risks associated with that behavior, but mayors should not. Same with this the GP wants to believe that the pager is in a different class of 'risk' than the walkie talkie at home, and now walkie talkies are used in an attack, they are adjusting their world view. Edit: Spelling and punctuation. I could just be talking out of my ass too.

echoangle 2y ago

Does it not entirely depend on the delivery mechanism? If I receive an order from the US military for Radios and I put bombs in them, what would be the risk of hitting civilians when detonating them? Wouldn't that be OK because the probability of a military Radio being given to someone non-military is negligible? If you undermine the Hezbollah supply chain and specifically deliver to them, isn't that pretty targeted?

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