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How does this not violate Geneva Convention?

bravetraveler 2y ago
Perhaps the agreement relies on enforcement or, well, agreement to be effective This violated the curfew for my unborn son, see what I mean?
preisschild 2y ago
Afaik the Geneva Convention doesn't apply at all towards Terrorists, because they target primarily Civilians.
- bamboozled 2y ago
  You will start getting people ask questions like "What exactly constitutes a terrorist?" and "Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist?"...
  - potato3732842 2y ago
    >Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist? He was until he won comprehensively enough. From Abraham to George Washington to Ho Chi Minh to Hibatullah Akhundzada it's all just re-runs of the same plot but with different characters.
pjc50 2y ago
Because it's Israel filling another country with small remote mines, not an "unfriendly" (to the US) country.
- bamboozled 2y ago
  Isn't it attacking a militant group who killed 11 children a few months ago? 11 children murdered by Hezbollah at a soccer game? Do you think anyone will actual sympathize with them ? This is the nature of the game with these people, they're not an established military so what are you supposed to attack in order to stop your children being blown apart at a soccer game? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-28/golan-heights-strike-kills-children-israel-blames-hezbollah/104151876 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-28/golan-heights-strike-... https://www.timesofisrael.com/massive-tragedy-kids-killed-in-hezbollah-rocket-attack-on-soccer-field-are-named/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/massive-tragedy-kids-killed-in... Edit: Added another source because I saw some cowardly accuse me of "spreading Israeli propaganda and then deleting their comment, there's a non-bias news outlets story too, the ABC".
  - JoeyBananas 2y ago
    There is no proof that Lebanese Hezbollah was responsible for the Magdal Shams incident you are referring to, and all of the facts suggest that it was an accident. It happened during what was virtually a firefight. The Magdal Shams is a village in the Golan heights, which is a Syrian area that is illegally occupied by Israel. At the very least, it is a huge leap of faith to assume that the families of the victims condemn Hezbollah or Israel or who they think is responsible. Whatever your beliefs are, I suggest not jumping to conclusions so quickly, especially on such a complicated topic
    - bamboozled 2y ago
      Just accidentally blew up a soccer field ?
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        It seems like you're feigning naiveté, here. Misdirected attacks happen all the time in warfare, and tragically there's nothing in the slightest bit surprising about it. The circumstances around the Majdal Shams attack are still unclear, but it's highly unlikely that Hezbollah would deliberately target a soccer field in the middle of a Druze community in Israel-occupied territory. Most likely it was affected by EW or simply went off course. So yes, "accidentally blew up a soccer field".
      - JoeyBananas 2y ago
        My friend, I suggest adopting a less juvenile attitude. As I stated previously, there is no proof of where the bomb came from, and the victims may have had allegiance towards the faction that you consider the "bad guys."
        doron 2y ago
        There is no proof that Israel initiated the Pager attacks either.
bamboozled 2y ago
Would you prefer they bomb a house, school, or mosque, or some other place where they hangout with civilians to use then as shields? Because when they did that everyone was up in arms, and now they try a more targeted approach and they're "terrorists"...meanwhile Putin is basically trying to make a whole country freeze this year and I hardly anyone complains all calls him a terrorist, apparently, that's fine? Israel is held to some impossibly high standards. Makes me wonder why? Hezbollah has recently launched rockets into Israel and killed 11 children...as a start.
- barbequeer 2y ago
  > ...meanwhile Putin is basically trying to make a whole country freeze this year and I don't hear anyone complain. You haven't heard anyone complain about Russia invading Ukraine?
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    What I hear is people hysterically screaming about how "Palestine" has a "right to defend itself" then I see a bunch of kids screaming "from the river to the sea" on Campus. I don't see anyone protest like that for Ukraine, or the Uighur population in China, do you know why? Because Iran is funding universities and creating useful idiots: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-finances-u-s-campus-protests-top-intel-official/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-finances-u-s-camp... So I mean, people complain about Ukraine, but it's a different type of complaining. Ukraine is actually being invaded and Russia is actually trying to commit genocide of Ukraine and Ukrainian culture. But seemingly, most people don't care. I (unfortunately) logged into Instagram today, and some 28 year old woman I know was posting all this Pro Hizbollah stuff, with quotes like "enough is enough". I have never seen that person post anything about children getting blown up by Russia...Why is that? I deleted the app again :)
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      I don't see anyone protest like that for Ukraine, or the Uighur population in China, do you know why? Because of anything Iran is doing, no. But rather, and very simply because their own government (and to some extent their colleges directly, via their endowment funds) is/are supporting the genocide in Palestine, while at least doing something about the other 2. That, and because Palestine resonates with their social justice narratives, and "strikes a chord" with them ideologically and psychologically in a certain way that the other 2 genocides do not. You can make of this fixation what you want. But by all indications -- those are the drivers. Nothing whatsoever to do with Iran. And it's really very straightforward actually. Don't let yourself be bamboozled by scare stories in National Review, please.
echoangle 2y ago
Which part of the Geneva Convention specifically?
- netsharc 2y ago
  Not the Geneva Convention: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/18/the-guardian-view-on-israels-booby-trap-war-and-unacceptable https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/18/the-gu... > a global treaty came into force which “prohibited in all circumstances to use booby-traps or other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects that are specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material”. Has anyone told Israel and its jubilant supporters that, as Brian Finucane of the International Crisis Group points out, it is a signatory to the protocol? Specifically it's probably this one: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.40_CCW%20P-II%20as%20amended.pdf https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-... But oh well, it's fine if it's Israel doing it, and any protest against it is anti-semitic and supporting Hamas and the killing of more Jews! /S "'War crimes' are defined by the winners": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiKFAwiKjBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiKFAwiKjBo
  - thehappypm 2y ago
    I’ve always thought that it’s bananas that war has rules
    - lagniappe 2y ago
      Overtly it has rules. Covertly it does not. You fund cells and terrorists to do it for you.
    - floydnoel 2y ago
      indeed, war couldn't happen without rules. training, marching, maneuvering, following a battle plan- these all require discipline and rules to be effective. if there were no structure, no rules, it would just be fighting- like animals. it could never reach the level of war. that takes human ingenuity!
31337Logic 2y ago
It's not fair to cite a rulebook when only one side is expected to abide by it.
JoeyBananas 2y ago
International law is quite literally a work of fiction. You can read the Geneva conventions and explore the implications of the rules in the imaginary world it sets up, but you have to understand that those rules are only valid inside of that imaginary world. None of it has any value in the real world, which is dictated by a different set of laws.

Perhaps the agreement relies on enforcement or, well, agreement to be effective This violated the curfew for my unborn son, see what I mean?

preisschild 2y ago

Afaik the Geneva Convention doesn't apply at all towards Terrorists, because they target primarily Civilians.

bamboozled 2y ago
You will start getting people ask questions like "What exactly constitutes a terrorist?" and "Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist?"...
- potato3732842 2y ago
  >Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist? He was until he won comprehensively enough. From Abraham to George Washington to Ho Chi Minh to Hibatullah Akhundzada it's all just re-runs of the same plot but with different characters.

pjc50 2y ago

Because it's Israel filling another country with small remote mines, not an "unfriendly" (to the US) country.

bamboozled 2y ago
Isn't it attacking a militant group who killed 11 children a few months ago? 11 children murdered by Hezbollah at a soccer game? Do you think anyone will actual sympathize with them ? This is the nature of the game with these people, they're not an established military so what are you supposed to attack in order to stop your children being blown apart at a soccer game? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-28/golan-heights-strike-kills-children-israel-blames-hezbollah/104151876 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-28/golan-heights-strike-... https://www.timesofisrael.com/massive-tragedy-kids-killed-in-hezbollah-rocket-attack-on-soccer-field-are-named/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/massive-tragedy-kids-killed-in... Edit: Added another source because I saw some cowardly accuse me of "spreading Israeli propaganda and then deleting their comment, there's a non-bias news outlets story too, the ABC".
- JoeyBananas 2y ago
  There is no proof that Lebanese Hezbollah was responsible for the Magdal Shams incident you are referring to, and all of the facts suggest that it was an accident. It happened during what was virtually a firefight. The Magdal Shams is a village in the Golan heights, which is a Syrian area that is illegally occupied by Israel. At the very least, it is a huge leap of faith to assume that the families of the victims condemn Hezbollah or Israel or who they think is responsible. Whatever your beliefs are, I suggest not jumping to conclusions so quickly, especially on such a complicated topic
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    Just accidentally blew up a soccer field ?
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      It seems like you're feigning naiveté, here. Misdirected attacks happen all the time in warfare, and tragically there's nothing in the slightest bit surprising about it. The circumstances around the Majdal Shams attack are still unclear, but it's highly unlikely that Hezbollah would deliberately target a soccer field in the middle of a Druze community in Israel-occupied territory. Most likely it was affected by EW or simply went off course. So yes, "accidentally blew up a soccer field".
    - JoeyBananas 2y ago
      My friend, I suggest adopting a less juvenile attitude. As I stated previously, there is no proof of where the bomb came from, and the victims may have had allegiance towards the faction that you consider the "bad guys."
      - doron 2y ago
        There is no proof that Israel initiated the Pager attacks either.

bamboozled 2y ago

Would you prefer they bomb a house, school, or mosque, or some other place where they hangout with civilians to use then as shields? Because when they did that everyone was up in arms, and now they try a more targeted approach and they're "terrorists"...meanwhile Putin is basically trying to make a whole country freeze this year and I hardly anyone complains all calls him a terrorist, apparently, that's fine? Israel is held to some impossibly high standards. Makes me wonder why? Hezbollah has recently launched rockets into Israel and killed 11 children...as a start.

barbequeer 2y ago
> ...meanwhile Putin is basically trying to make a whole country freeze this year and I don't hear anyone complain. You haven't heard anyone complain about Russia invading Ukraine?
- bamboozled 2y ago
  What I hear is people hysterically screaming about how "Palestine" has a "right to defend itself" then I see a bunch of kids screaming "from the river to the sea" on Campus. I don't see anyone protest like that for Ukraine, or the Uighur population in China, do you know why? Because Iran is funding universities and creating useful idiots: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-finances-u-s-campus-protests-top-intel-official/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-finances-u-s-camp... So I mean, people complain about Ukraine, but it's a different type of complaining. Ukraine is actually being invaded and Russia is actually trying to commit genocide of Ukraine and Ukrainian culture. But seemingly, most people don't care. I (unfortunately) logged into Instagram today, and some 28 year old woman I know was posting all this Pro Hizbollah stuff, with quotes like "enough is enough". I have never seen that person post anything about children getting blown up by Russia...Why is that? I deleted the app again :)
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    I don't see anyone protest like that for Ukraine, or the Uighur population in China, do you know why? Because of anything Iran is doing, no. But rather, and very simply because their own government (and to some extent their colleges directly, via their endowment funds) is/are supporting the genocide in Palestine, while at least doing something about the other 2. That, and because Palestine resonates with their social justice narratives, and "strikes a chord" with them ideologically and psychologically in a certain way that the other 2 genocides do not. You can make of this fixation what you want. But by all indications -- those are the drivers. Nothing whatsoever to do with Iran. And it's really very straightforward actually. Don't let yourself be bamboozled by scare stories in National Review, please.

echoangle 2y ago

Which part of the Geneva Convention specifically?

netsharc 2y ago
Not the Geneva Convention: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/18/the-guardian-view-on-israels-booby-trap-war-and-unacceptable https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/18/the-gu... > a global treaty came into force which “prohibited in all circumstances to use booby-traps or other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects that are specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material”. Has anyone told Israel and its jubilant supporters that, as Brian Finucane of the International Crisis Group points out, it is a signatory to the protocol? Specifically it's probably this one: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.40_CCW%20P-II%20as%20amended.pdf https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-... But oh well, it's fine if it's Israel doing it, and any protest against it is anti-semitic and supporting Hamas and the killing of more Jews! /S "'War crimes' are defined by the winners": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiKFAwiKjBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiKFAwiKjBo
- thehappypm 2y ago
  I’ve always thought that it’s bananas that war has rules
  - lagniappe 2y ago
    Overtly it has rules. Covertly it does not. You fund cells and terrorists to do it for you.
  - floydnoel 2y ago
    indeed, war couldn't happen without rules. training, marching, maneuvering, following a battle plan- these all require discipline and rules to be effective. if there were no structure, no rules, it would just be fighting- like animals. it could never reach the level of war. that takes human ingenuity!

31337Logic 2y ago

It's not fair to cite a rulebook when only one side is expected to abide by it.

JoeyBananas 2y ago

International law is quite literally a work of fiction. You can read the Geneva conventions and explore the implications of the rules in the imaginary world it sets up, but you have to understand that those rules are only valid inside of that imaginary world. None of it has any value in the real world, which is dictated by a different set of laws.