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This has to be the most annoying hacker news comment section I've ever seen. It's just the same ~4 viewpoints rehashed again, and again, and again. Why don't fo

by cdrini 2y ago

This has to be the most annoying hacker news comment section I've ever seen. It's just the same ~4 viewpoints rehashed again, and again, and again. Why don't folks just upvote other comments that say the same thing instead of repeating the same things? And now a hopefully new comment: having a word frequency measure of the internet as we're going into AI being more used would be IMMENSELY useful specifically _because_ more of the internet is being AI generated! I could see such a dataset being immensely useful to researchers who are looking for the impacts of AI on language, and to test empirically a lot of claims the author has made in this very post! What a shame that they stopped measuring. Also: as to the claims that AI will cause stagnation and a reduction of the variance of English vocabulary used, this is a trend in English that's been happening for over 100 years ( https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2019/09/why-is-vocabulary-shrinking.html?m=1 https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2019/09/why-is-vocabulary-s... ). I believe the opposite will happen, AI will increase the average persons vocabulary, since chat AIs tends to be more professionally written than a lot of the internet. It's like being able to chat with someone that has an infinite vocabulary. It also makes it possible for people to read complicated documents well out of their domain, since they can ask not just for definitions but more in depth explanations of what words/sections mean. Here's to a comment that will never be read because of all the noise in this thread :/

actionfromafar 2y ago
I read, but I can't say I like it. :-D People will ELI5 everything to understand it, no hard word understand necessary, up-goer-five-style, then "de-compress" it into floral (Amorphophallus Titanum scented) GPT speak when sending responses back out.
vlan121 2y ago
You haven't read the whole thing. It says that: or that could benefit generative AI.
- cdrini 2y ago
  I did read it :) not sure how that line applies here, can you expand?
appendix-rock 2y ago
They want to display how they’re truly intelligent (unlike LLMs) by checks notes rehashing opinions that they’ve read millions of times online. Sound familiar to anyone?
- wbillingsley 2y ago
  I wonder whether future generations will be ingrained with a Truman Show fear that maybe only the few thousand people they meet are real and everything else is generated background noise.
  - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
    I already get this when I look at e.g. youtube comments.
advael 2y ago
On a meta level I agree that having this kind of dataset with "before and after" would be pretty interesting. On an object level I do not predict that this would increase the overall diversity of language usage - and in fact it would be extremely surprising if this was even possible due to some general mathematical properties of neural networks - nor would "more professional writing," though I do agree with this characterization of the way AI-generated text sounds. The more I work with LLMs and encounter them in the wild, the greater my confidence that I can tell when something was generated, with the exception of B2B marketing copy and communications from HR departments or state agencies On the level of meta-discourse you seem to want to also speak to: Dang even when people have the Official Corporate Approved Perspective (in particular, the claim that it's "like being able to chat with someone that has an infinite vocabulary" is probably the silliest delusional AI hype I've heard all week) and the most upvotes in the thread they still think they're an embattled ideological minority. Starting to think that literally zero people in the modern world don't have or affect a victim complex of some kind
- cdrini 2y ago
  Haha I'm pleasantly surprised to see my comment at the top, I genuinely thought it would drown to the bottom! Not due to disagreement, just due to sheer volume and being posted rather late in this posts lifespan. Anyways my meta comment wasn't that I disagreed with all the other comments, I was just frustrated at how repetitive they were of one another. When I go to leave a comment, I do a pass reading through all or most of the comments to make sure someone hasn't left a comment in the same vein, and it was just frustrating to go through people saying almost verbatim the same thing others were saying! If your comment isn't adding something new why leave it? I'm all for healthy disagreement :) Also not sure what part of my post sounds like it's from an "embattled ideological minority". But speaking of healthy disagreement, as to "chatting with someone that has an infinite vocabulary", I'd love to hear any counterarguments you might have; or was calling it "silly and delusional" meant to be your argument? :P I think it's a pretty uncontroversial statement seeing as eg ChatGPT very likely knows every word in the English language.
  - mark-r 2y ago
BiteCode_dev 2y ago
Also it breaks the languagr barreer, you can now read the Chinese internet if you want, or chat transparently in Arabic. That's going to be interesting.
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  At the moment though (and ever since decent online translation services were a thing), it feels one-way, that is, people from that side of the internet coming to the anglosphere internet moreso than anglosphere people going internet-abroad. I may be wrong.
  - BiteCode_dev 2y ago
    As a Frenchman, I learned very quickly that my language sphere market and resource pool is so much smaller than the English one that it's 10 times less effective to do anything in it. I understand the position. The only exception would be China, but the GFW is probably not helping. LLV might lower the cost of that so much that it will become more interesting to do so.
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by cdrini 2y ago

actionfromafar 2y ago

I read, but I can't say I like it. :-D People will ELI5 everything to understand it, no hard word understand necessary, up-goer-five-style, then "de-compress" it into floral (Amorphophallus Titanum scented) GPT speak when sending responses back out.

vlan121 2y ago

You haven't read the whole thing. It says that: or that could benefit generative AI.

cdrini 2y ago
I did read it :) not sure how that line applies here, can you expand?

appendix-rock 2y ago

They want to display how they’re truly intelligent (unlike LLMs) by checks notes rehashing opinions that they’ve read millions of times online. Sound familiar to anyone?

wbillingsley 2y ago
I wonder whether future generations will be ingrained with a Truman Show fear that maybe only the few thousand people they meet are real and everything else is generated background noise.
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  I already get this when I look at e.g. youtube comments.

advael 2y ago

On a meta level I agree that having this kind of dataset with "before and after" would be pretty interesting. On an object level I do not predict that this would increase the overall diversity of language usage - and in fact it would be extremely surprising if this was even possible due to some general mathematical properties of neural networks - nor would "more professional writing," though I do agree with this characterization of the way AI-generated text sounds. The more I work with LLMs and encounter them in the wild, the greater my confidence that I can tell when something was generated, with the exception of B2B marketing copy and communications from HR departments or state agencies On the level of meta-discourse you seem to want to also speak to: Dang even when people have the Official Corporate Approved Perspective (in particular, the claim that it's "like being able to chat with someone that has an infinite vocabulary" is probably the silliest delusional AI hype I've heard all week) and the most upvotes in the thread they still think they're an embattled ideological minority. Starting to think that literally zero people in the modern world don't have or affect a victim complex of some kind

cdrini 2y ago
Haha I'm pleasantly surprised to see my comment at the top, I genuinely thought it would drown to the bottom! Not due to disagreement, just due to sheer volume and being posted rather late in this posts lifespan. Anyways my meta comment wasn't that I disagreed with all the other comments, I was just frustrated at how repetitive they were of one another. When I go to leave a comment, I do a pass reading through all or most of the comments to make sure someone hasn't left a comment in the same vein, and it was just frustrating to go through people saying almost verbatim the same thing others were saying! If your comment isn't adding something new why leave it? I'm all for healthy disagreement :) Also not sure what part of my post sounds like it's from an "embattled ideological minority". But speaking of healthy disagreement, as to "chatting with someone that has an infinite vocabulary", I'd love to hear any counterarguments you might have; or was calling it "silly and delusional" meant to be your argument? :P I think it's a pretty uncontroversial statement seeing as eg ChatGPT very likely knows every word in the English language.
- mark-r 2y ago

BiteCode_dev 2y ago

Also it breaks the languagr barreer, you can now read the Chinese internet if you want, or chat transparently in Arabic. That's going to be interesting.

Cthulhu_ 2y ago
At the moment though (and ever since decent online translation services were a thing), it feels one-way, that is, people from that side of the internet coming to the anglosphere internet moreso than anglosphere people going internet-abroad. I may be wrong.
- BiteCode_dev 2y ago
  As a Frenchman, I learned very quickly that my language sphere market and resource pool is so much smaller than the English one that it's 10 times less effective to do anything in it. I understand the position. The only exception would be China, but the GFW is probably not helping. LLV might lower the cost of that so much that it will become more interesting to do so.

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