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This isn't the case even in EU, much less in US where they often don't sign any employment contract.

spoiler 2y ago
Regarding the EU thing: maybe I've just had an odd experience, but I've always signed employment contracts. Even when I was a student I had a contract from the company I worked at (it was a separate contract, not the usual student contract that I had to get also).
worble 2y ago
I can only speak to the UK where I have always been given a employment contract but it appears that something similar is a requirement in the EU https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/human-resources/employment-contracts/employment-terms/index_en.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/human-resources/employ... >When you hire staff, you should provide them with a written contract or an equivalent written statement confirming their working conditions The fact it can be a statement rather than a contract may have an impact on the companies ability to change it at any given time without agreement from the employee, but I'm not an EU employment lawyer
- throwaway48540 2y ago
  Every company I ever worked for had a "any changes are permitted, refusing means quitting" clause.
  - tpxl 2y ago
    That is quite literally illegal where I live. Any annex to the contract (including base salary changes) must be _voluntarily_ signed by the employee. Forcing signing is illegal. When covid started, my company gave all employees annexes to reduce our pay by 20%, but keep our workload the same. I told 2 bosses, the HR employee and the director of HR mobbing me I will not sign and to piss off. I was the only one to do so out of ~150 employees. I kept my full salary until I quit my job because I don't like working for cunts.
lucianbr 2y ago
It definitely is the case in the EU. Where did you get the idea it isn't? In my country, which is in the EU, having someone work for you without a contract is a crime. Because by not having a contract you're denying them rights such as pension contribution, paid vacation, health insurance etc. Plus you have to pay taxes on salary, so if you hire them "on a handshake" as it were, you're probably doing tax evasion too.
- throwaway48540 2y ago
  I got the idea from my personal experience where I never was able to refuse what they told me. I'm not saying no contracts, I'm saying that refusing the change means I quit myself, and so no protection.

Regarding the EU thing: maybe I've just had an odd experience, but I've always signed employment contracts. Even when I was a student I had a contract from the company I worked at (it was a separate contract, not the usual student contract that I had to get also).

worble 2y ago

I can only speak to the UK where I have always been given a employment contract but it appears that something similar is a requirement in the EU https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/human-resources/employment-contracts/employment-terms/index_en.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/human-resources/employ... >When you hire staff, you should provide them with a written contract or an equivalent written statement confirming their working conditions The fact it can be a statement rather than a contract may have an impact on the companies ability to change it at any given time without agreement from the employee, but I'm not an EU employment lawyer

throwaway48540 2y ago
Every company I ever worked for had a "any changes are permitted, refusing means quitting" clause.
- tpxl 2y ago
  That is quite literally illegal where I live. Any annex to the contract (including base salary changes) must be _voluntarily_ signed by the employee. Forcing signing is illegal. When covid started, my company gave all employees annexes to reduce our pay by 20%, but keep our workload the same. I told 2 bosses, the HR employee and the director of HR mobbing me I will not sign and to piss off. I was the only one to do so out of ~150 employees. I kept my full salary until I quit my job because I don't like working for cunts.

lucianbr 2y ago

It definitely is the case in the EU. Where did you get the idea it isn't? In my country, which is in the EU, having someone work for you without a contract is a crime. Because by not having a contract you're denying them rights such as pension contribution, paid vacation, health insurance etc. Plus you have to pay taxes on salary, so if you hire them "on a handshake" as it were, you're probably doing tax evasion too.

throwaway48540 2y ago
I got the idea from my personal experience where I never was able to refuse what they told me. I'm not saying no contracts, I'm saying that refusing the change means I quit myself, and so no protection.