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I don't know exactly how it works in the states, but I'm assuming you still sign a contract when accepting a job? That contract has all sorts on it, often inclu

by worble 2y ago

I don't know exactly how it works in the states, but I'm assuming you still sign a contract when accepting a job? That contract has all sorts on it, often including job title, expected responsibilities, work hours, etc. If a company decides to change that then you must agree to the new contract, or they risk legal action. If you don't then their options are keep you where you are or fire you, and of course firing someone is it's own minefield, as shown here.

deafpolygon 2y ago
Contracts? In the states? Haha.. that's a good one.
- mosselman 2y ago
  Wait what? No employment contract?? Can you unpack this a little bit?
  - alwa 2y ago
    I uh… USians don’t do those. When they do, it tends to be a one-sided kind of thing to protect the company’s interests—NDAs, codes of conduct, accept our policies today and whatever we change them to in the future, that sort of thing. Most places, work happens at the whim of the employer (and, for what little it’s worth, the whim of the employee): employment is “at-will,” states are “right-to-work,” and so on. Don’t know about others, but I’ve never once in my life signed a contract to work in the US.
    - meindnoch 2y ago
      Wtf? So how do you know your current salary? How do you know your work hours?
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - nrb 2y ago
        This info often comes in the form of an offer letter that is accepted verbally or in writing. In most cases employment in the US is at-will and does not involve a formal employment contract: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment
      - DavidPeiffer 2y ago
        Your monetary compensation is in an offer letter you sign to accept the role. Salary exempt status is a fixed value per time period, or separately a hourly rate. If paid hourly, you're typically entitled to 1.5x pay after 40 hours of work. Salaried exempt status are not mandated overtime pay. What hours you work depends. Salaried is expecting a job to be done regardless of the hours to complete. Hourly is a mixed bag of "the schedule for next week is posted every Tuesday" (common in restaurants) or routine hours long-term (such as shift work in factories). It's awkward to try to explain, but here are some pros and cons from other people. https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditForGrownups/comments/16606tt/which_is_better_hourly_or_salary/ https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditForGrownups/comments/16606tt/...
      - smsm42 2y ago
        Most tech positions don't have fixed work hours, beyond what's required by the law. The salary, position, benefits, etc. are the part of employment offer that you do sign, and there are employment handbooks etc. that you also acknowledge when you onboard, but from the company side the offer is usually the only document they sign.
- stefan_ 2y ago
  You don't sign a contract buying something in the supermarket, yet a contract is still formed. You negotiated or discussed with the employer about pay and responsibilities, of course they are part of any such contract and their option is to dismiss you, not unilaterally change the terms.
throwaway48540 2y ago
This isn't the case even in EU, much less in US where they often don't sign any employment contract.
- spoiler 2y ago
  Regarding the EU thing: maybe I've just had an odd experience, but I've always signed employment contracts. Even when I was a student I had a contract from the company I worked at (it was a separate contract, not the usual student contract that I had to get also).
- worble 2y ago
  I can only speak to the UK where I have always been given a employment contract but it appears that something similar is a requirement in the EU https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/human-resources/employment-contracts/employment-terms/index_en.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/human-resources/employ... >When you hire staff, you should provide them with a written contract or an equivalent written statement confirming their working conditions The fact it can be a statement rather than a contract may have an impact on the companies ability to change it at any given time without agreement from the employee, but I'm not an EU employment lawyer
  - throwaway48540 2y ago
    Every company I ever worked for had a "any changes are permitted, refusing means quitting" clause.
    - tpxl 2y ago
      That is quite literally illegal where I live. Any annex to the contract (including base salary changes) must be _voluntarily_ signed by the employee. Forcing signing is illegal. When covid started, my company gave all employees annexes to reduce our pay by 20%, but keep our workload the same. I told 2 bosses, the HR employee and the director of HR mobbing me I will not sign and to piss off. I was the only one to do so out of ~150 employees. I kept my full salary until I quit my job because I don't like working for cunts.

by worble 2y ago

deafpolygon 2y ago

Contracts? In the states? Haha.. that's a good one.

mosselman 2y ago
Wait what? No employment contract?? Can you unpack this a little bit?
- alwa 2y ago
  I uh… USians don’t do those. When they do, it tends to be a one-sided kind of thing to protect the company’s interests—NDAs, codes of conduct, accept our policies today and whatever we change them to in the future, that sort of thing. Most places, work happens at the whim of the employer (and, for what little it’s worth, the whim of the employee): employment is “at-will,” states are “right-to-work,” and so on. Don’t know about others, but I’ve never once in my life signed a contract to work in the US.
  - meindnoch 2y ago
    Wtf? So how do you know your current salary? How do you know your work hours?
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - nrb 2y ago
      This info often comes in the form of an offer letter that is accepted verbally or in writing. In most cases employment in the US is at-will and does not involve a formal employment contract: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment
    - DavidPeiffer 2y ago
      Your monetary compensation is in an offer letter you sign to accept the role. Salary exempt status is a fixed value per time period, or separately a hourly rate. If paid hourly, you're typically entitled to 1.5x pay after 40 hours of work. Salaried exempt status are not mandated overtime pay. What hours you work depends. Salaried is expecting a job to be done regardless of the hours to complete. Hourly is a mixed bag of "the schedule for next week is posted every Tuesday" (common in restaurants) or routine hours long-term (such as shift work in factories). It's awkward to try to explain, but here are some pros and cons from other people. https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditForGrownups/comments/16606tt/which_is_better_hourly_or_salary/ https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditForGrownups/comments/16606tt/...
    - smsm42 2y ago
      Most tech positions don't have fixed work hours, beyond what's required by the law. The salary, position, benefits, etc. are the part of employment offer that you do sign, and there are employment handbooks etc. that you also acknowledge when you onboard, but from the company side the offer is usually the only document they sign.
stefan_ 2y ago
You don't sign a contract buying something in the supermarket, yet a contract is still formed. You negotiated or discussed with the employer about pay and responsibilities, of course they are part of any such contract and their option is to dismiss you, not unilaterally change the terms.

throwaway48540 2y ago

This isn't the case even in EU, much less in US where they often don't sign any employment contract.

spoiler 2y ago
Regarding the EU thing: maybe I've just had an odd experience, but I've always signed employment contracts. Even when I was a student I had a contract from the company I worked at (it was a separate contract, not the usual student contract that I had to get also).
worble 2y ago
I can only speak to the UK where I have always been given a employment contract but it appears that something similar is a requirement in the EU https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/human-resources/employment-contracts/employment-terms/index_en.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/human-resources/employ... >When you hire staff, you should provide them with a written contract or an equivalent written statement confirming their working conditions The fact it can be a statement rather than a contract may have an impact on the companies ability to change it at any given time without agreement from the employee, but I'm not an EU employment lawyer
- throwaway48540 2y ago
  Every company I ever worked for had a "any changes are permitted, refusing means quitting" clause.
  - tpxl 2y ago
    That is quite literally illegal where I live. Any annex to the contract (including base salary changes) must be _voluntarily_ signed by the employee. Forcing signing is illegal. When covid started, my company gave all employees annexes to reduce our pay by 20%, but keep our workload the same. I told 2 bosses, the HR employee and the director of HR mobbing me I will not sign and to piss off. I was the only one to do so out of ~150 employees. I kept my full salary until I quit my job because I don't like working for cunts.