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At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon
- ericzawo 2y agoHow does this not violate Geneva Convention?
- bravetraveler 2y agoPerhaps the agreement relies on enforcement or, well, agreement to be effective This violated the curfew for my unborn son, see what I mean?
- preisschild 2y agoAfaik the Geneva Convention doesn't apply at all towards Terrorists, because they target primarily Civilians.
- bamboozled 2y agoYou will start getting people ask questions like "What exactly constitutes a terrorist?" and "Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist?"...
- potato3732842 2y ago>Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist? He was until he won comprehensively enough. From Abraham to George Washington to Ho Chi Minh to Hibatullah Akhundzada it's all just re-runs of the same plot but with different characters.
- pjc50 2y agoBecause it's Israel filling another country with small remote mines, not an "unfriendly" (to the US) country.
- bamboozled 2y agoIsn't it attacking a militant group who killed 11 children a few months ago? 11 children murdered by Hezbollah at a soccer game? Do you think anyone will actual sympathize with them ? This is the nature of the game with these people, they're not an established military so what are you supposed to attack in order to stop your children being blown apart at a soccer game? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-28/golan-heights-strike-kills-children-israel-blames-hezbollah/104151876 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-28/golan-heights-strike-... https://www.timesofisrael.com/massive-tragedy-kids-killed-in-hezbollah-rocket-attack-on-soccer-field-are-named/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/massive-tragedy-kids-killed-in... Edit: Added another source because I saw some cowardly accuse me of "spreading Israeli propaganda and then deleting their comment, there's a non-bias news outlets story too, the ABC".
- JoeyBananas 2y agoThere is no proof that Lebanese Hezbollah was responsible for the Magdal Shams incident you are referring to, and all of the facts suggest that it was an accident. It happened during what was virtually a firefight. The Magdal Shams is a village in the Golan heights, which is a Syrian area that is illegally occupied by Israel. At the very least, it is a huge leap of faith to assume that the families of the victims condemn Hezbollah or Israel or who they think is responsible. Whatever your beliefs are, I suggest not jumping to conclusions so quickly, especially on such a complicated topic
- bamboozled 2y agoJust accidentally blew up a soccer field ?
- aguaviva 2y agoIt seems like you're feigning naiveté, here. Misdirected attacks happen all the time in warfare, and tragically there's nothing in the slightest bit surprising about it. The circumstances around the Majdal Shams attack are still unclear, but it's highly unlikely that Hezbollah would deliberately target a soccer field in the middle of a Druze community in Israel-occupied territory. Most likely it was affected by EW or simply went off course. So yes, "accidentally blew up a soccer field".
- bamboozled 2y agoWould you prefer they bomb a house, school, or mosque, or some other place where they hangout with civilians to use then as shields? Because when they did that everyone was up in arms, and now they try a more targeted approach and they're "terrorists"...meanwhile Putin is basically trying to make a whole country freeze this year and I hardly anyone complains all calls him a terrorist, apparently, that's fine? Israel is held to some impossibly high standards. Makes me wonder why? Hezbollah has recently launched rockets into Israel and killed 11 children...as a start.
- barbequeer 2y ago> ...meanwhile Putin is basically trying to make a whole country freeze this year and I don't hear anyone complain. You haven't heard anyone complain about Russia invading Ukraine?
- bamboozled 2y agoWhat I hear is people hysterically screaming about how "Palestine" has a "right to defend itself" then I see a bunch of kids screaming "from the river to the sea" on Campus. I don't see anyone protest like that for Ukraine, or the Uighur population in China, do you know why? Because Iran is funding universities and creating useful idiots: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-finances-u-s-campus-protests-top-intel-official/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/iran-finances-u-s-camp... So I mean, people complain about Ukraine, but it's a different type of complaining. Ukraine is actually being invaded and Russia is actually trying to commit genocide of Ukraine and Ukrainian culture. But seemingly, most people don't care. I (unfortunately) logged into Instagram today, and some 28 year old woman I know was posting all this Pro Hizbollah stuff, with quotes like "enough is enough". I have never seen that person post anything about children getting blown up by Russia...Why is that? I deleted the app again :)
- aguaviva 2y agoI don't see anyone protest like that for Ukraine, or the Uighur population in China, do you know why? Because of anything Iran is doing, no. But rather, and very simply because their own government (and to some extent their colleges directly, via their endowment funds) is/are supporting the genocide in Palestine, while at least doing something about the other 2. That, and because Palestine resonates with their social justice narratives, and "strikes a chord" with them ideologically and psychologically in a certain way that the other 2 genocides do not. You can make of this fixation what you want. But by all indications -- those are the drivers. Nothing whatsoever to do with Iran. And it's really very straightforward actually. Don't let yourself be bamboozled by scare stories in National Review, please.
- echoangle 2y agoWhich part of the Geneva Convention specifically?
- netsharc 2y agoNot the Geneva Convention: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/18/the-guardian-view-on-israels-booby-trap-war-and-unacceptable https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/18/the-gu... > a global treaty came into force which “prohibited in all circumstances to use booby-traps or other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects that are specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material”. Has anyone told Israel and its jubilant supporters that, as Brian Finucane of the International Crisis Group points out, it is a signatory to the protocol? Specifically it's probably this one: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.40_CCW%20P-II%20as%20amended.pdf https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-... But oh well, it's fine if it's Israel doing it, and any protest against it is anti-semitic and supporting Hamas and the killing of more Jews! /S "'War crimes' are defined by the winners": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiKFAwiKjBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiKFAwiKjBo
- thehappypm 2y agoI’ve always thought that it’s bananas that war has rules
- lagniappe 2y agoOvertly it has rules. Covertly it does not. You fund cells and terrorists to do it for you.
- floydnoel 2y agoindeed, war couldn't happen without rules. training, marching, maneuvering, following a battle plan- these all require discipline and rules to be effective. if there were no structure, no rules, it would just be fighting- like animals. it could never reach the level of war. that takes human ingenuity!
- 31337Logic 2y agoIt's not fair to cite a rulebook when only one side is expected to abide by it.
- JoeyBananas 2y agoInternational law is quite literally a work of fiction. You can read the Geneva conventions and explore the implications of the rules in the imaginary world it sets up, but you have to understand that those rules are only valid inside of that imaginary world. None of it has any value in the real world, which is dictated by a different set of laws.
- _lvbh 2y agoPagers I understand but I have two walkie-talkies at home so it’s definitely not something reserved for military use. I hope these attacks don’t continue onto more civilian focused products
- preisschild 2y agoApparently they were modified in the supply chain, so they might only send "prepared" Walkie Talkies to Hezbollah
- rightbyte 2y agoThe rethorical Amazon of Lebanon doesn't comingle inventory? I am paranoid about new hardware as it is. Especially those with radio tranceivers. And that was before we knew Shin Bet have been massproducing consumer gadgets that blow up in your face.
- giladamar 2y agoAs I understand, and I'm not sure many do at the moment, Hezbollah put in a very specific order from a specific supplier. It is not the case that they just used their local/national stores and bought out pagers from some common supply available to ordinary civilians. Their destination was known. Can't really comment on your paranoia regarding new hardware. I can't say there's no reason not to be with surveillance tools everywhere. However, unless you're putting in orders for a terrorist organisation I don't think you need to worry that the Shin Bet will willy nilly add explosives.
- eviks 2y agoNeither are pagers, strange to tie understanding to what you personally have at home
- worthless-trash 2y agoPeople associate behavior and objects with things they are familiar with. This gives them some kind of grounding in context so they can more easily dissociate with potential threats. There is a good example of this in batman, which outlines the situation well. The joker says: Nobody panics when things go “according to plan.” Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it’s all “part of the plan.” But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds! We expect that soldiers and gang bangers have risks associated with that behavior, but mayors should not. Same with this the GP wants to believe that the pager is in a different class of 'risk' than the walkie talkie at home, and now walkie talkies are used in an attack, they are adjusting their world view. Edit: Spelling and punctuation. I could just be talking out of my ass too.
- im3w1l 2y agoWhat I'm noticing is that this attack, or series of attacks seems to upset people in a way they struggle to verbalize. They try to reach and call it terrorism or war crime but it seems to be neither. Maybe the real explanation is that this kind of weapon is simply too powerful and terrifying and that's why people want it to be taboo? We become more and more dependent on technology everyday, we are slowly trusting our lives to self driving cars even starting to put electrodes into our brains. The thought of someone tampering with that, it's too scary. I think that might be what is going on.
- inglor_cz 2y agoI can see where the anger comes from. It is the "distributedness". People like to split the world into clean zones: here is war, after this border, no more war. After all, the risk gradient jumps extremely when you cross the border from Poland into Ukraine. An attack like this a) reveals that some people aren't what they perhaps pretended to be, e.g. civilians, b) shows that war can reach with very long fingers into places that considered themselves relatively safe.
- kgbcia 2y agoIt's weird how these headlines are written in the passive voice and as to blame Hezbollah. "At least 20 dead as walkie-talkies explode in Lebanon as Israel declares ‘new phase of war’ against Hezbollah" How about Israel detonates 3000 explosives in Lebanon.
- bamboozled 2y agoAre we supposed to feel sorry for terrorists who's lives are spent working out how to murder and blow people up, then when they get blown up with minimal collateral damage caused, what? Honestly, I'm surprised at how great these people are at invoking emotional responses in their favor. It's incredible. They're certainly smashing the information war. When the 11 kids got actually blown up by a missile strike while attending a soccer game in Israel, where was all the sympathy then? Do people even know about this? https://www.timesofisrael.com/massive-tragedy-kids-killed-in-hezbollah-rocket-attack-on-soccer-field-are-named/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/massive-tragedy-kids-killed-in...
- desdenova 2y agoIsrael are the terrorists. And linking to their propaganda, you're only showing how much you've been brainwashed by them.
- giladamar 2y agoOf course. YOUR news is always propaganda, MY news is always God's honest truth. I'm sure al jazeera and electronic intifada have a cool disinterested view on the matter.
- JoeyBananas 2y agoIf you ask engineers who work for Tesla to review the Tesla Cyber Truck, they will tell you it's genius and amazing in every way because they don't want to get fired and they are likely also Tesla shareholders. If you ask engineers who work for Toyota about the Tesla cyber truck, they have the expertise to identify all of the problems with the design and they are not going to get fired for telling you the truth. Who would you rather listen to? It is the same situation when we are talking about Western journalists vs. Arab journalists.
- ChrisArchitect 2y ago[dupe] Yesterday's news Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41580205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41580205