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The US is so corrupt that I’m afraid any attempt at universal healthcare would make it even more expensive. Obamacare was basically a trillion dollar giveaway t

by ein0p 2y ago

The US is so corrupt that I’m afraid any attempt at universal healthcare would make it even more expensive. Obamacare was basically a trillion dollar giveaway to Big Pharma and Big Healthcare. The only positive thing I can see in it for me personally is that it became possible to buy (extremely expensive) healthcare privately rather than through an employer, and you could not be denied due to pre-existing condition. Don’t get me wrong, that’s significant, but the insurance is now three times the price it was before Obamacare and the actual care is much worse. And both the cost and quality/availability seem to be trending in the wrong direction. I guess what I wanted to say is, lucky you. Hold onto that NHS for dear life and resist any attempt to privatize it. It’s very much a one way street.

netsharc 2y ago
Obama himself has said to that Obamacare (well ACA) is like (to use my own analogy) a "patch" on a a system that can't just be reimplemented (most of it due to political reasons). It's not terrific but it's what was able to be done. Whereas e.g. single payer was an unachievable pipe dream from where they were standing in 2008/09. And he'd rather have something a bit better rather than go for the excellent system and fail and be left with the bad system.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  And why was it "an unachievable pipe dream"? As I remember it, the Democrats had control of both houses of Congress, as well as the White House, for about 2 years. They could have passed anything they wanted.
  - tstrimple 2y ago
    Joe Lieberman sabotaged the public option.
    - chgs 2y ago
      If one person has such power you aren’t really in a democracy
      - tstrimple 2y ago
        The senate is not Democratic. Senators represent states, not people. Unfortunately the house is very poor at representation as well since the number of seats has been frozen. Too many compromises with slave holders built into the foundation of our country to have anything approaching a functional system. Those compromises have been hampering democracy and progress ever since.
      - zdragnar 2y ago
        Perhaps you don't understand how voting works? When the difference between minority in favor (not passing) and majority in favor (passing) is one person, then yes, one person has such power. Democracy doesn't mean that the minority gets to overrule the majority when they feel like it. In fact, it is quite the opposite.
        tstrimple 2y ago
        Unfortunately that’s exactly what “democracy” in the US means. Without a super majority, any individual can hold up any legislation they want outside of budget reconciliation. It will be that way as long as the filibuster exists in its current form.
  - ein0p 2y ago
    Because they’re owned by Big Pharma and Big Healthcare. Same as Republicans. Also because we'd much rather fund wars than solve such problems.
    - netsharc 2y ago
      I was complaining about the state of discourse on HN the other day. Your comment is example number... I don't know what number, I've lost count.
  - netsharc 2y ago
    A others have replied, some Dems were quite red, a lot of politicians are more eager to preserve their jobs than burn political capital... The excerpt from his book: https://archive.is/V5TVM https://archive.is/V5TVM . He also talks about "political capital" and whether it'd be more wise to spend them on e.g. recession recovery. Ctrl-F for "More than forty-three million Americans were now uninsured" to skip the introduction about how the system got to the way it got.
  - triceratops 2y ago
    You're remembering wrong. They had a super-majority for only about 6 months. After that Republicans could hold up legislation via filibustering. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_Senate_special_election_in_Massachusetts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_Senate_spec...
gregjor 2y ago
Matches my experience. As a self-employed person health insurance in the US costs more under ACA, and then many doctors, hospitals, and labs won’t accept the ACA coverage. My parents in America have Medicare plus a private “advantage” add-on they can barely afford. Right now they are waiting — for months — to find out if a necessary surgery will get approved or not. I live in Thailand now, where I can afford insurance and get top quality care with no waiting, referrals, or uncertainty, and costs at the best hospitals still a fraction of US prices.

by ein0p 2y ago

netsharc 2y ago

Obama himself has said to that Obamacare (well ACA) is like (to use my own analogy) a "patch" on a a system that can't just be reimplemented (most of it due to political reasons). It's not terrific but it's what was able to be done. Whereas e.g. single payer was an unachievable pipe dream from where they were standing in 2008/09. And he'd rather have something a bit better rather than go for the excellent system and fail and be left with the bad system.

shiroiushi 2y ago
And why was it "an unachievable pipe dream"? As I remember it, the Democrats had control of both houses of Congress, as well as the White House, for about 2 years. They could have passed anything they wanted.
- tstrimple 2y ago
  Joe Lieberman sabotaged the public option.
  - chgs 2y ago
    If one person has such power you aren’t really in a democracy
    - tstrimple 2y ago
      The senate is not Democratic. Senators represent states, not people. Unfortunately the house is very poor at representation as well since the number of seats has been frozen. Too many compromises with slave holders built into the foundation of our country to have anything approaching a functional system. Those compromises have been hampering democracy and progress ever since.
    - zdragnar 2y ago
      Perhaps you don't understand how voting works? When the difference between minority in favor (not passing) and majority in favor (passing) is one person, then yes, one person has such power. Democracy doesn't mean that the minority gets to overrule the majority when they feel like it. In fact, it is quite the opposite.
      - tstrimple 2y ago
        Unfortunately that’s exactly what “democracy” in the US means. Without a super majority, any individual can hold up any legislation they want outside of budget reconciliation. It will be that way as long as the filibuster exists in its current form.
- ein0p 2y ago
  Because they’re owned by Big Pharma and Big Healthcare. Same as Republicans. Also because we'd much rather fund wars than solve such problems.
  - netsharc 2y ago
    I was complaining about the state of discourse on HN the other day. Your comment is example number... I don't know what number, I've lost count.
- netsharc 2y ago
  A others have replied, some Dems were quite red, a lot of politicians are more eager to preserve their jobs than burn political capital... The excerpt from his book: https://archive.is/V5TVM https://archive.is/V5TVM . He also talks about "political capital" and whether it'd be more wise to spend them on e.g. recession recovery. Ctrl-F for "More than forty-three million Americans were now uninsured" to skip the introduction about how the system got to the way it got.
- triceratops 2y ago
  You're remembering wrong. They had a super-majority for only about 6 months. After that Republicans could hold up legislation via filibustering. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_Senate_special_election_in_Massachusetts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_Senate_spec...

gregjor 2y ago

Matches my experience. As a self-employed person health insurance in the US costs more under ACA, and then many doctors, hospitals, and labs won’t accept the ACA coverage. My parents in America have Medicare plus a private “advantage” add-on they can barely afford. Right now they are waiting — for months — to find out if a necessary surgery will get approved or not. I live in Thailand now, where I can afford insurance and get top quality care with no waiting, referrals, or uncertainty, and costs at the best hospitals still a fraction of US prices.