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> Quote where I said autism should be cured. I am specifically talking about you flying off the handle because the word cure was mentioned. > The thrust of my

> Quote where I said autism should be cured. I am specifically talking about you flying off the handle because the word cure was mentioned. > The thrust of my argument is that therapy is necessary and desirable despite the individual not wanting it. Do your pedantry elsewhere, this is just directly in the comment I’m responding to most recently. You want to talk about the differences between tthe words “therapy” and “cure” in the context of this discussion, which you have pulled from other comments I’ve made not in direct response of you - completely not interested and only commenting now to expose what a bad faith “Autism speaks” argument typically looks like, because I’ve had this same argument a bazillion times. This doesn’t waste the amount of time you think it does, next I imagine you’ll be asking for links to posts. anyone can read this comment thread. > Cool, have you ever asked someone with severe autism this question? What did they say? Oh wait, nothing because if you've worked with ASD groups you know severe ASD folk are incapable of telling you what they think one way or another about treatment or therapy (beyond not liking it). Yes. I have. Including a relative of mine, and including a person I have coached. In my experience, they don’t really tend to think anything is wrong with them, or don’t understand - they just react to how other people treat them, and ultimately just want acceptance or no hassle, from the exact type of people making the statements you are making publicly here. As for the rest of your post it is hysterical drivel, blatant misrepresantation and sealioning, and deserves no response. Like, honestly. If you’re actually interested in learning more about this I urge you to join a ASD support group online somewhere and read what people have to say there. Much of what you’re saying has been thoroughly discussed to the point it’s laughed at, and by the way, to address your “show me where I said I think autism is a societal ill”, I just think it oozes off of your tone and posting and overall point here. I acknowledge you literally didn’t say that. hope that helps!

cogman10 2y ago
> Do your pedantry elsewhere, this is just directly in the comment I’m responding to most recently. Go learn how to read. Therapy isn't curing people and you from previous comments know that. You can't quote me saying what you want so now you resort to a strawman and "Well you are just being pedantic". No, it's not fucking pedantry, it's what I'm saying that you can't understand because you can't admit to being wrong. > Yes. I have. Including a relative of mine, and including a person I have coached. There, you do not understand the autism spectrum if you think you've had a conversation with someone with severe autism. You haven't because DEFINITIONALLY people with severe autism cannot communicate. You have had conversations with people that have mild or moderate autism. Because, definitionally, those are the only people capable of having that conversation. Unless you are pitching facilitated communication bullshit, which is extremely toxic. The thrust of my argument is clear, therapy is essential and sometimes required even when the individual receiving it does not want it. I gave clear examples, but you run away from those because you don't want to admit to strawmaning what I'm saying or advocating. It further flies in the face of what I know you advocate. So bury your head in the sand and pretend like there aren't severe consequences if you don't force a kid to brush their teeth or do food therapy.
- JohnMakin 2y ago
  > There, you do not understand the autism spectrum if you think you've had a conversation with someone with severe autism. You haven't because DEFINITIONALLY people with severe autism cannot communicate. Lol, this is definitively wrong and loaded with stigma. Like, I’m only engaging with you now for blog content because this is bog standard autism speaks stigma shit. It’s a clear hatred and misrepresentation of who “autistic” people actually are - and again, I have worked with severely autistic people, they struggle communicating but also can usually understand communication themselves - they aren’t mongoloids like how you are presenting them over and over here. And again there are literally millions and millions of people in between that extreme and people like me, and then the people like you making everyone think they’re all non-communicative. again, for like the fiftieth time - I am not against therapy. I promote therapy. I have in my posts, I’ve said myself I go to therapy for that. I am against the idea, again, for the fiftieth time, that I am pushing back in the context of this entire thread, against the idea that autism is something that always should be cured. Can you just acknowledge that that’s my point? therapy has nothing to do with this. you’re either projecting your own personal issues onto this conversation given the fact you keep arguing against points I’m not making, or you are delusional/crazy, or just outright trolling. Again at this point I’m only responding to highlight elsewhere how ignorant and terrible people like you are. Just say the quiet parts out loud. you resent your kid and you hate autistic people. again, it oozes out of your posting here. I’d be ashamed to make such thoughts public, personally.

cogman10 2y ago

> Do your pedantry elsewhere, this is just directly in the comment I’m responding to most recently. Go learn how to read. Therapy isn't curing people and you from previous comments know that. You can't quote me saying what you want so now you resort to a strawman and "Well you are just being pedantic". No, it's not fucking pedantry, it's what I'm saying that you can't understand because you can't admit to being wrong. > Yes. I have. Including a relative of mine, and including a person I have coached. There, you do not understand the autism spectrum if you think you've had a conversation with someone with severe autism. You haven't because DEFINITIONALLY people with severe autism cannot communicate. You have had conversations with people that have mild or moderate autism. Because, definitionally, those are the only people capable of having that conversation. Unless you are pitching facilitated communication bullshit, which is extremely toxic. The thrust of my argument is clear, therapy is essential and sometimes required even when the individual receiving it does not want it. I gave clear examples, but you run away from those because you don't want to admit to strawmaning what I'm saying or advocating. It further flies in the face of what I know you advocate. So bury your head in the sand and pretend like there aren't severe consequences if you don't force a kid to brush their teeth or do food therapy.

JohnMakin 2y ago
> There, you do not understand the autism spectrum if you think you've had a conversation with someone with severe autism. You haven't because DEFINITIONALLY people with severe autism cannot communicate. Lol, this is definitively wrong and loaded with stigma. Like, I’m only engaging with you now for blog content because this is bog standard autism speaks stigma shit. It’s a clear hatred and misrepresentation of who “autistic” people actually are - and again, I have worked with severely autistic people, they struggle communicating but also can usually understand communication themselves - they aren’t mongoloids like how you are presenting them over and over here. And again there are literally millions and millions of people in between that extreme and people like me, and then the people like you making everyone think they’re all non-communicative. again, for like the fiftieth time - I am not against therapy. I promote therapy. I have in my posts, I’ve said myself I go to therapy for that. I am against the idea, again, for the fiftieth time, that I am pushing back in the context of this entire thread, against the idea that autism is something that always should be cured. Can you just acknowledge that that’s my point? therapy has nothing to do with this. you’re either projecting your own personal issues onto this conversation given the fact you keep arguing against points I’m not making, or you are delusional/crazy, or just outright trolling. Again at this point I’m only responding to highlight elsewhere how ignorant and terrible people like you are. Just say the quiet parts out loud. you resent your kid and you hate autistic people. again, it oozes out of your posting here. I’d be ashamed to make such thoughts public, personally.