I have been making the same point this whole time: the aversion to unions stems entirely from economic reasoning, not some "personality/sub-cultural disdain" fo

I have been making the same point this whole time: the aversion to unions stems entirely from economic reasoning, not some "personality/sub-cultural disdain" for unions among the majority of software developers. In particular: * Unions tend to push for seniority based pay schedules that fail to reward based on performance. * Unions maintain membership be deliberately opposing efficiency gains that would allow for more work to be done with fewer personnel (because fewer personnel means fewer union members). These trends are economically bad. Both for software developers themselves and for society as a whole. The majority of software developers who reject unions do so, entirely on these sorts of economic grounds. That's my position, and I don't see where it's changed throughout this conversion. On the other hand, I'm still not sure about the scope of your statement "software engineers seem to have a particular scorn for unions beyond the calculus of economics". An unqualified statement "X group believes Y" would normally indicate that this applies to the group, broadly. But in a later comment you wrote "all it takes is one counter-example" to prove this true - suggesting that you intended this to apply very narrowly, potentially to just one person. My claim is that the majority of developers are anti-union for entirely economic reasons. Maybe you do or don't agree, since the scope of how many developers you are stating harbor anti-union for non-economic reasons remains ambiguous.