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Still easily within the budget of the US, Russia, China, Israel, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of nodes are ran by intelligence agencies.
by teaearlgraycold 2y ago
Still easily within the budget of the US, Russia, China, Israel, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of nodes are ran by intelligence agencies.
- darby_nine 2y agoIn fact, you should assume they are. This doesn't imply the network doesn't have utility for a given actor.
- bawolff 2y agoI think the threat model is that the majority are not run by cooperating malicious parties. Russia, china and usa all dont like each other much so are probably not sharing notes (in theory).
- aftbit 2y agoOr perhaps they _are_ sharing notes about tor users with each other, as part of a global club of intelligence agencies (a sort of new world order) who would rather not be overthrown. How are we to know?
- anticorporate 2y agoBecause if they each only have incomplete information, they each wouldn't know whether the information they have is relevant to preventing overthrow of their collective order, or intelligence that is only going to help their geopolitical adversary. Basically, a variation of the prisoner's dilemma. Also, those nukes we have pointed at each other are a pretty healthy hint.
- Imustaskforhelp 2y agothe last sentence really just gave me a chuckle
- jrochkind1 2y agoOr perhaps someone with secret quantum computing can break all our encryption and has full transparency on all communications on the internet. Perhaps extraterrestrials are eavesdropping on everything I say in my living room, and sharing it with the KGB. How are we to know?
- rrrix1 2y agoOccam's Razor definitely applies here. "The simplest explanation is usually the best one." Conspiracy theories are a logical reasoning black hole. I personally feel it's generally best to avoid the mental Spaghettification.
- andai 2y agoThey say the internet is just someone else's computer. With Tor it's the computer of a person who wants you to think it's not their computer, and also that they aren't paying attention to (or somehow can't see) what you're doing on it.
- chr_1 2y agoBefore 2020 when /r/privacy stimulated conversation that was worthy of good discussion you learned Tor the software made less available nodes accessible with newer deployments, that’s why it got faster. Regardless of how many nodes existed. The routing shifted. Now it’s way faster and there's specifically designated guard nodes seemingly pinged repeatedly out to the same allied nations.
- giantg2 2y agoThe interesting thing is, the more agencies that run relays, the more they interfere with each other. So having something like US, Russia, and China a each running 25% of the network reduces the chances of any one getting all three relays.
- droopyEyelids 2y agoThis would help negate that interference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
- giantg2 2y agoSpecifically what I chose US (allies implied), China, and Russia. These should be three competing factions.
- pasabagi 2y agoI think even Russia and the US still do intelligence sharing on a lot of stuff - and that's before you consider that the US seems to be in everybody's networks anyhow, so non-sharing is probably just sharing with a bit more skullduggery.
- giantg2 2y agoI don't think they share on the bulk data. I would highly doubt they routinely cooperate on cyber crimes given Russia's stance on the matter (basically encouraging it).
- trompetenaccoun 2y agoRussia and China are allies. And I'm not sure if Beijing would even be interested in spying on TOR users since it's blocked so thoroughly it's basically unusable for Chinese residents.
- giantg2 2y ago