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Can't wait to see the blast radius if the judge decides to block CloudFlare

Qem 2y ago
Probably easier to impound some CloudFlare assets, if any available. But any blocking would follow an escalation process. X itself was only blocked as an remedy of last resort, after months refusing to abide by court decision, refusing to pay fines and firing all employees and self-nuking its own local presence to avoid compliance at all costs. It was even reported[1] X refused to honor severance pay to the employees fired. [1] https://www.correiobraziliense.com.br/economia/2024/09/6934917-ex-funcionario-do-x-diz-que-equipe-nao-recebeu-fgts-apos-fechamento-do-escritorio.html https://www.correiobraziliense.com.br/economia/2024/09/69349... (Portuguese)
- aksss 2y ago
  Wasn't the court threatening to start penalizing the local X ee's as the only local target they had for enforcement actions? "The social media giant published pictures of a document allegedly signed by Moraes which says a daily fine of 20,000 reais ($3,653) and an arrest decree would be imposed against X representative Rachel Nova Conceicao if the platform did not fully comply to Moraes' orders. 'To protect the safety of our staff, we have made the decision to close our operation in Brazil, effective immediately,' X said." https://www.reuters.com/technology/x-close-operations-brazil-effective-immediately-2024-08-17/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/x-close-operations-brazil...
viraptor 2y ago
They have other options in practice. If they have the means to block Cloudflare, they also have the means to prevent Twitter domains from resolving. (DoH can be blocked too without a big outage)
- tmottabr 2y ago
  They don't need any of that.. They just need to send a court order to Cloudflare to have then block Twitter.. That is pretty much what already happened and Cloudflare already replied informing they will isolate Twitter IP range from the rest of the customers.. By this time tomorrow it will be blocked again..
  - viraptor 2y ago
    Cloudflare is notorious for protecting criminals using their service. We'll see what happens in practice, but if they simply comply without any resistance, I'd be surprised.
    - tmottabr 2y ago
      not only they did not offered any resistance.. but they were the ones that reached out and offered to comply without even requiring a specific court order.. when i posted they had already announced they would comply to the block, i wa referring to that.. that they isolated twitter traffic to 2 specific ip address that can easily be blocked.. the block is already in place for the big ISPs and the rest should have it blocked by the end of day..
Mountain_Skies 2y ago
My understanding is that Brazil's government uses CloudFlare because its sites kept falling to DDOS attacks it couldn't block. If that's accurate, blocking CloudFlare would open the government to DDOS attacks again.
- meepmorp 2y ago
  Like I said, I can't wait to see the blast radius.

Qem 2y ago

Probably easier to impound some CloudFlare assets, if any available. But any blocking would follow an escalation process. X itself was only blocked as an remedy of last resort, after months refusing to abide by court decision, refusing to pay fines and firing all employees and self-nuking its own local presence to avoid compliance at all costs. It was even reported[1] X refused to honor severance pay to the employees fired. [1] https://www.correiobraziliense.com.br/economia/2024/09/6934917-ex-funcionario-do-x-diz-que-equipe-nao-recebeu-fgts-apos-fechamento-do-escritorio.html https://www.correiobraziliense.com.br/economia/2024/09/69349... (Portuguese)

aksss 2y ago
Wasn't the court threatening to start penalizing the local X ee's as the only local target they had for enforcement actions? "The social media giant published pictures of a document allegedly signed by Moraes which says a daily fine of 20,000 reais ($3,653) and an arrest decree would be imposed against X representative Rachel Nova Conceicao if the platform did not fully comply to Moraes' orders. 'To protect the safety of our staff, we have made the decision to close our operation in Brazil, effective immediately,' X said." https://www.reuters.com/technology/x-close-operations-brazil-effective-immediately-2024-08-17/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/x-close-operations-brazil...

viraptor 2y ago

They have other options in practice. If they have the means to block Cloudflare, they also have the means to prevent Twitter domains from resolving. (DoH can be blocked too without a big outage)

tmottabr 2y ago
They don't need any of that.. They just need to send a court order to Cloudflare to have then block Twitter.. That is pretty much what already happened and Cloudflare already replied informing they will isolate Twitter IP range from the rest of the customers.. By this time tomorrow it will be blocked again..
- viraptor 2y ago
  Cloudflare is notorious for protecting criminals using their service. We'll see what happens in practice, but if they simply comply without any resistance, I'd be surprised.
  - tmottabr 2y ago
    not only they did not offered any resistance.. but they were the ones that reached out and offered to comply without even requiring a specific court order.. when i posted they had already announced they would comply to the block, i wa referring to that.. that they isolated twitter traffic to 2 specific ip address that can easily be blocked.. the block is already in place for the big ISPs and the rest should have it blocked by the end of day..

Mountain_Skies 2y ago

My understanding is that Brazil's government uses CloudFlare because its sites kept falling to DDOS attacks it couldn't block. If that's accurate, blocking CloudFlare would open the government to DDOS attacks again.

meepmorp 2y ago
Like I said, I can't wait to see the blast radius.