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The part that is importantly open and entirely non-obvious in the way it happened, is that YOU can access the best commercially available AI in the world, right

The part that is importantly open and entirely non-obvious in the way it happened, is that YOU can access the best commercially available AI in the world, right now. If OpenAI had not went that way that they did I think it's also entirely non-obvious that Claude or Google would have (considering how much impressive things the later did in AI that got never released in any capacity). And, of course, Meta would never done their open source stuff, that's mostly results of their general willingness and resources to experiment and then PR and sticks in the machinery of other players. As unfortunate as the OpenAI setup/origin story is, it's increasingly trite keep harping on about that (for a couple of years at this point), when the whole thing is so obviously wild and it does not take a lot of good faith to see that it could have easily taken them places they didn't consider in the beginning.

golol 2y ago
Exactly. As long as OpenAI keeps putting the world's most advanced AI into my hands I will accept that they are open - in some sense. Maybe things would have always been like this, maybe if OpenAI didn't exist Google and the other actors would still publish Claude, Gemini etc. But in this world it was OpenAI that really set the framework that this process of developing AI happens in the public eyes right now. GPT-2, GPT-3 with APIs, Dalle, ChatGPT, GPT-4, now o1 and soon to be voice mode. OpenAI ensured that these aren't just secret toys of Deepmind researchers or something.
- Terr_ 2y ago
  > open - in some sense. The phrase that leaps to mind is "Open Beta."
  - z3c0 2y ago
    ...do you really think that's what they meant when they took on the term?
    - Terr_ 2y ago
      Do you really think I suggesting it as a long-laid plan behind someone choosing a name ~9 years ago? I'm saying that the current relationship between the company and end-users--especially when it comes to "open" monikers--has similarities to an "Open Beta": A combination of PR/marketing, free testing, and consumer data collection, where users should be cautious of becoming reliant on something that may be yanked back behind a monetization curtain.
- z3c0 2y ago
  "In some sense", any word can mean anything you want. "Open" carries with an accepted meaning in technology that in no way relates to what you're describing. You may as well call McDonald's "open".
  - ironhaven 2y ago
    “Apple is one of the most open companies there is because they want everyone to buy their products”

golol 2y ago

Exactly. As long as OpenAI keeps putting the world's most advanced AI into my hands I will accept that they are open - in some sense. Maybe things would have always been like this, maybe if OpenAI didn't exist Google and the other actors would still publish Claude, Gemini etc. But in this world it was OpenAI that really set the framework that this process of developing AI happens in the public eyes right now. GPT-2, GPT-3 with APIs, Dalle, ChatGPT, GPT-4, now o1 and soon to be voice mode. OpenAI ensured that these aren't just secret toys of Deepmind researchers or something.

Terr_ 2y ago
> open - in some sense. The phrase that leaps to mind is "Open Beta."
- z3c0 2y ago
  ...do you really think that's what they meant when they took on the term?
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    Do you really think I suggesting it as a long-laid plan behind someone choosing a name ~9 years ago? I'm saying that the current relationship between the company and end-users--especially when it comes to "open" monikers--has similarities to an "Open Beta": A combination of PR/marketing, free testing, and consumer data collection, where users should be cautious of becoming reliant on something that may be yanked back behind a monetization curtain.
z3c0 2y ago
"In some sense", any word can mean anything you want. "Open" carries with an accepted meaning in technology that in no way relates to what you're describing. You may as well call McDonald's "open".
- ironhaven 2y ago
  “Apple is one of the most open companies there is because they want everyone to buy their products”