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Free speech is not a law set in stone, in the US you can be a Nazi without any legal repercussions, here in Brazil you cannot. I'd like to keep it that way.

exabrial 2y ago
Just a short history lesson: Nazi's were the ones that burnt the books. You're welcome!
- dancemethis 2y ago
  Yep, which is why Elmo sympathizers hate reading so much and send spam and hate propaganda forward.
- kingofthehill98 2y ago
  Exactly, they were the ones burning books. I'd like to keep them prohibited from openly defending their ideology online or offline. If you're a Nazi the only place you belong is in a prison cell.
  - exabrial 2y ago
    I support free speech. Please send the cops to my address for mere words that I said.
    - jrflowers 2y ago
      I’m fascinated by folks that, upon seeing something mundane like “fuck nazis”, are compelled to post “Ho ho! You must mean me then!” Like, no? People online don’t know who you are or why you would feel targeted. Unless you know and care about the person making a point like that the post is literally just noise.
    - andrewinardeer 2y ago
      Threaten to kill the president and the cops will arrive at your house for the words you say.
      - exabrial 2y ago
        President Biden is not threatening me with imminent harm or physical violence, why would a reasonable person ever do that? Only sociopaths and the weak minded solve their problems with force and violence.
- hash07e 2y ago
  What kind of “books”?
  - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
    [flagged]
Tohhou 2y ago
Any infringement of free speech is a step toward hell. Brazil is breaking its own constitution and its judges are punishing legal representatives of X.
- 13415 2y ago
  Right, maybe we should all just take your word for it and believe you know Brazil's constitution better than the majority of Brazilian Supreme Court judges.
  - matheusmoreira 2y ago
    You should. These judge-kings are only humans. They are no doubt prone to corruption, to incompetence, to power trips. These are supposedly impartial judges... Who go to lunches with the ruling party and make fun of the people protesting them. Normal judges in Brazil are selected by competition. Lawyers compete with each other for the position by taking standardized tests. The smartest ones are supposed to become judges. These supreme court judges have not been so selected. They were all put there by political appointment. One of them is literally the lawyer who defended the current president against corruption claims. Another is a communist who the president appointed to the supreme court precisely because he needed somebody to advance his socialist agenda. So whenever you read "brazilian supreme court", remember that they aren't really authorities. It's entirely possible that these "lesser" judges have a better understanding of brazilian law than these supreme court judges. It's even possible that "mere" lawyers, and even ordinary citizens have better understanding of the law than they do. The only reason they are there is political appointment. Even normal people, who still have their sanities intact, are capable of recognizing this absurd situation. They even have a popular saying for it: "here in Brazil, the utility pole pees on the dog". Everything's backwards here. The less qualified judges are above the more qualified judges. These judges are after Bolsonaro and his supporters for the political speech they engaged in. All this Twitter business happened because the judges wanted account of his supporters censored for "fake news". Blatant political censorship. Which is unconstitutional. The constitution literally contains the words: > Any and all censorship of political and artistic nature is prohibited It's not that hard to understand. Any citizen can understand this. It's just that it doesn't matter what the law says. Because there's no court above them, the law becomes whatever they say it is. These unelected judges make the laws, and their pens send police to our homes. This is a judiciary dictatorship. Our elected repesentatives do not matter. Forget the idea that they are "authorities" and start looking at what they are doing, why they are doing it and the arguments they use. You'll see there's plenty wrong with all of it. It all began in 2019 when a brazilian magazine ran some kind of article on one of these judges. They created a "fake news" inquisition and appointed this Alexandre de Moraes guy the head of it. An inquisition where the supreme court is the victim and simultaneously investigates, prosecutes, judges and sentences crimes against itself. First thing he did is censor the magazine. The "fake news" nonsense is still active to this day, and it's because of it that Twitter was banned in our country. A completely illegal and unconstitutional investigation whose result was an expansion of the supreme court's powers to the point I believe this country is no longer a democracy but a dictatorship of the judiciary. You don't even have to take my word for it. Other HN users have written about their abuses before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41449560 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41449560 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423 I've had brazilians call those posts and mine "fake news" yet I've never once seen them refute even a single of those points. Case in point: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41387865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41387865
matheusmoreira 2y ago
Wow, I wonder what your political bent is. It's funny how nazis here in Brazil go straight to jail, while communists and socialists are allowed to walk this soil completely unpunished. Hell, they get to openly form parties. They don't even need to employ any subterfuge to do it, we have so many parties with "socialist" and "communist" literally in their names. They even get to be elected. Our current president is a socialist, and he put a communist judge in the supreme court. This is despite the fact that socialism and communism are demonstrably worse than nazism in literally every way. If we were to be ruled by literal nazis, there's actually a chance we might prosper and become a real country. Socialists? I don't think so. So why is it that you call for censorship of nazism? Only to immediately afterwards defend this socialist communist judiciary dictatorship nonsense? What a sick joke. This isn't even about "nazis" to begin with. These judges are after Bolsonaro and his supporters for the political speech they engaged in. Blatant political censorship. Which is unconstitutional.

exabrial 2y ago

Just a short history lesson: Nazi's were the ones that burnt the books. You're welcome!

dancemethis 2y ago
Yep, which is why Elmo sympathizers hate reading so much and send spam and hate propaganda forward.
kingofthehill98 2y ago
Exactly, they were the ones burning books. I'd like to keep them prohibited from openly defending their ideology online or offline. If you're a Nazi the only place you belong is in a prison cell.
- exabrial 2y ago
  I support free speech. Please send the cops to my address for mere words that I said.
  - jrflowers 2y ago
    I’m fascinated by folks that, upon seeing something mundane like “fuck nazis”, are compelled to post “Ho ho! You must mean me then!” Like, no? People online don’t know who you are or why you would feel targeted. Unless you know and care about the person making a point like that the post is literally just noise.
  - andrewinardeer 2y ago
    Threaten to kill the president and the cops will arrive at your house for the words you say.
    - exabrial 2y ago
      President Biden is not threatening me with imminent harm or physical violence, why would a reasonable person ever do that? Only sociopaths and the weak minded solve their problems with force and violence.
hash07e 2y ago
What kind of “books”?
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  [flagged]

Tohhou 2y ago

Any infringement of free speech is a step toward hell. Brazil is breaking its own constitution and its judges are punishing legal representatives of X.

13415 2y ago
Right, maybe we should all just take your word for it and believe you know Brazil's constitution better than the majority of Brazilian Supreme Court judges.
- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  You should. These judge-kings are only humans. They are no doubt prone to corruption, to incompetence, to power trips. These are supposedly impartial judges... Who go to lunches with the ruling party and make fun of the people protesting them. Normal judges in Brazil are selected by competition. Lawyers compete with each other for the position by taking standardized tests. The smartest ones are supposed to become judges. These supreme court judges have not been so selected. They were all put there by political appointment. One of them is literally the lawyer who defended the current president against corruption claims. Another is a communist who the president appointed to the supreme court precisely because he needed somebody to advance his socialist agenda. So whenever you read "brazilian supreme court", remember that they aren't really authorities. It's entirely possible that these "lesser" judges have a better understanding of brazilian law than these supreme court judges. It's even possible that "mere" lawyers, and even ordinary citizens have better understanding of the law than they do. The only reason they are there is political appointment. Even normal people, who still have their sanities intact, are capable of recognizing this absurd situation. They even have a popular saying for it: "here in Brazil, the utility pole pees on the dog". Everything's backwards here. The less qualified judges are above the more qualified judges. These judges are after Bolsonaro and his supporters for the political speech they engaged in. All this Twitter business happened because the judges wanted account of his supporters censored for "fake news". Blatant political censorship. Which is unconstitutional. The constitution literally contains the words: > Any and all censorship of political and artistic nature is prohibited It's not that hard to understand. Any citizen can understand this. It's just that it doesn't matter what the law says. Because there's no court above them, the law becomes whatever they say it is. These unelected judges make the laws, and their pens send police to our homes. This is a judiciary dictatorship. Our elected repesentatives do not matter. Forget the idea that they are "authorities" and start looking at what they are doing, why they are doing it and the arguments they use. You'll see there's plenty wrong with all of it. It all began in 2019 when a brazilian magazine ran some kind of article on one of these judges. They created a "fake news" inquisition and appointed this Alexandre de Moraes guy the head of it. An inquisition where the supreme court is the victim and simultaneously investigates, prosecutes, judges and sentences crimes against itself. First thing he did is censor the magazine. The "fake news" nonsense is still active to this day, and it's because of it that Twitter was banned in our country. A completely illegal and unconstitutional investigation whose result was an expansion of the supreme court's powers to the point I believe this country is no longer a democracy but a dictatorship of the judiciary. You don't even have to take my word for it. Other HN users have written about their abuses before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41449560 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41449560 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423 I've had brazilians call those posts and mine "fake news" yet I've never once seen them refute even a single of those points. Case in point: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41387865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41387865

matheusmoreira 2y ago

Wow, I wonder what your political bent is. It's funny how nazis here in Brazil go straight to jail, while communists and socialists are allowed to walk this soil completely unpunished. Hell, they get to openly form parties. They don't even need to employ any subterfuge to do it, we have so many parties with "socialist" and "communist" literally in their names. They even get to be elected. Our current president is a socialist, and he put a communist judge in the supreme court. This is despite the fact that socialism and communism are demonstrably worse than nazism in literally every way. If we were to be ruled by literal nazis, there's actually a chance we might prosper and become a real country. Socialists? I don't think so. So why is it that you call for censorship of nazism? Only to immediately afterwards defend this socialist communist judiciary dictatorship nonsense? What a sick joke. This isn't even about "nazis" to begin with. These judges are after Bolsonaro and his supporters for the political speech they engaged in. Blatant political censorship. Which is unconstitutional.