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Apparently communism can only function with trade with free market capitalists?

derelicta 2y ago
They would love to be able to trade with other countries, but American Overlords are preventing them from doing so through embargoes. Only Sister-Republics like China or Venezuela dare disobeying the US.
- brigadier132 2y ago
  - Venezuela - North Korea - Cuba Three communist and socialist countries with starving populations. North Korea trades freely and shares a border with China. Venezuela has no sanctions applied to it by the US. We can now easily rule out sanctions as the cause of their woes so what is the other common factor between these countries?
  - derelicta 2y ago
    I think you underestimate the power of your government and the impact of economic sanctions. At the end of the day, I don't understand why those countries aren't allowed to be independant.
    - brigadier132 2y ago
      > I think you underestimate the power of your government and the impact of economic sanctions. I think you don't understand how the scientific method works. Venezuela had sanctions removed, they still starved. North Korea trades directly with the massive economy of China, the people are still starving and poor. The problem is communism and socialism, not sanctions. Stop being a stooge for dictators.
      - derelicta 2y ago
        I think you have been propagandized by criminals. I don't blame you, I was the same. Regarding starvation, it happened under capitalist, slavery-based and feudal regimes aswell. One recent example is how the very capitalistic UK engineered a terrible famine that nearly killed 200mio Indians. For most of the western world, Churchill was very much a saviour, but for Indians, he was a brutal dictator.
        brigadier132 2y ago
        I've personally experienced the horrors of communism so no propaganda was needed for me.
        derelicta 2y ago
        Oh have you? Interesting. If you lived in a low-performing socialist country, I guess it's tough to blame you. But keep in mind that socialism, like any democratic experiment, is different based on the country's initial historic and material conditions. One can pin point at China, a high performing democratic experiment and say they are doing fairly well, "despite" being a socialist Republic. However I'm curious what you refer as "horrors" of communism.
        brigadier132 2y ago
        I can't discuss anything further with you when you call China democratic. You are basically a flat earther.
        blackhawkC17 2y ago
        > However I'm curious what you refer as "horrors" of communism. Mass starvation and murders to start.
        derelicta 2y ago
        This is happening right now in Palestine and I'm pretty sure Israel is a capitalist entity. Oh but I forgot, when we do it, we are the good guys. My bad.
- reducesuffering 2y ago
  Patently false. Cuba's top trade partners also include: Spain, Germany, Portugal, Mexico, Brazil, Netherlands, Italy, Vietnam.
fragmede 2y ago
If this situation is considered "proof" of that, then I'd hate to hear about how democracy can only function with Communist support (China), and how it would have failed in the 70's without being propped up by dictatorships (Saudi Arabia). Or perhaps there's a bit more nuance to geopolitics than will fit into a single tweet.

They would love to be able to trade with other countries, but American Overlords are preventing them from doing so through embargoes. Only Sister-Republics like China or Venezuela dare disobeying the US.

brigadier132 2y ago
- Venezuela - North Korea - Cuba Three communist and socialist countries with starving populations. North Korea trades freely and shares a border with China. Venezuela has no sanctions applied to it by the US. We can now easily rule out sanctions as the cause of their woes so what is the other common factor between these countries?
- derelicta 2y ago
  I think you underestimate the power of your government and the impact of economic sanctions. At the end of the day, I don't understand why those countries aren't allowed to be independant.
  - brigadier132 2y ago
    > I think you underestimate the power of your government and the impact of economic sanctions. I think you don't understand how the scientific method works. Venezuela had sanctions removed, they still starved. North Korea trades directly with the massive economy of China, the people are still starving and poor. The problem is communism and socialism, not sanctions. Stop being a stooge for dictators.
    - derelicta 2y ago
      I think you have been propagandized by criminals. I don't blame you, I was the same. Regarding starvation, it happened under capitalist, slavery-based and feudal regimes aswell. One recent example is how the very capitalistic UK engineered a terrible famine that nearly killed 200mio Indians. For most of the western world, Churchill was very much a saviour, but for Indians, he was a brutal dictator.
      - brigadier132 2y ago
        I've personally experienced the horrors of communism so no propaganda was needed for me.
        derelicta 2y ago
        Oh have you? Interesting. If you lived in a low-performing socialist country, I guess it's tough to blame you. But keep in mind that socialism, like any democratic experiment, is different based on the country's initial historic and material conditions. One can pin point at China, a high performing democratic experiment and say they are doing fairly well, "despite" being a socialist Republic. However I'm curious what you refer as "horrors" of communism.
        brigadier132 2y ago
        I can't discuss anything further with you when you call China democratic. You are basically a flat earther.
        blackhawkC17 2y ago
        > However I'm curious what you refer as "horrors" of communism. Mass starvation and murders to start.
        derelicta 2y ago
        This is happening right now in Palestine and I'm pretty sure Israel is a capitalist entity. Oh but I forgot, when we do it, we are the good guys. My bad.
reducesuffering 2y ago
Patently false. Cuba's top trade partners also include: Spain, Germany, Portugal, Mexico, Brazil, Netherlands, Italy, Vietnam.

fragmede 2y ago

If this situation is considered "proof" of that, then I'd hate to hear about how democracy can only function with Communist support (China), and how it would have failed in the 70's without being propped up by dictatorships (Saudi Arabia). Or perhaps there's a bit more nuance to geopolitics than will fit into a single tweet.