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> It's funny to think that there are members of Hezbollah here on HN. It's worth remembering that Hezbollah as a whole is more than just the paramilitary branc

by diggan 2y ago

> It's funny to think that there are members of Hezbollah here on HN. It's worth remembering that Hezbollah as a whole is more than just the paramilitary branch which is commonly referred to as a terrorist organization. Some entities (like the EU) only considers the paramilitary arm of Hezbollah as a terrorist group, while the rest is a proper political organization. Like always, things aren't quite as black and white as many want it to be.

dralley 2y ago
>Some entities (like the EU) only considers the paramilitary arm of Hezbollah as a terrorist group, while the rest is a proper political organization. And that decision is much more political than it is legal or rational. Imagine arguing that ISIS officials are off-limits because they're "not paramilitary". Hezbollah's occupation & control of southern Lebanon is against international law in the first place, but nobody actually wants to deal with that problem. I've never seen a comment that criticizes Hezbollah violations of UN Resolution 1701 the way that people criticize Israel.
lenerdenator 2y ago
Sounds to me like they need to disarm, then. Same with Hamas, really. At this point anything either organization does basically violates the "just war" (oxymoron, I know) tenant of only attacking an enemy when you believe you have a reasonable chance of success.
- diggan 2y ago
  > Sounds to me like they need to disarm, then. I'd want all militaries to disarm too, unlikely to happen unless everyone starts to agree to not get into everyone else's business. So besides getting everyone to disarm, what could we do?
  - lenerdenator 2y ago
    Generally speaking, when the Israelis mutually recognize Arab nations, they respect the terms of the agreement. Jordan and Egypt are examples. So long as the other party says "you get to exist" and doesn't actively tolerate anti-Israeli militant activity within their borders, Israel won't use its military against them. There are probably some exceptions to this rule, and yes, their occupation of the West Bank violates international law, but attacking just no longer works. Gaza lies in ruins and the IDF conducts operations in the area at will. There are currently thousands of people wrapping their electronics in aluminum foil in Lebanon. Disarming and sitting down to talk in brokered negotiations is probably more effective at this point.
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
  It's "tenet", not "tenant".
booleandilemma 2y ago
It's worth remembering that Hezbollah as a whole is more than just the paramilitary branch which is commonly referred to as a terrorist organization. Is that right? Then their flag on wikipedia is even funnier. It screams "Islamic terrorists". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

by diggan 2y ago

dralley 2y ago

>Some entities (like the EU) only considers the paramilitary arm of Hezbollah as a terrorist group, while the rest is a proper political organization. And that decision is much more political than it is legal or rational. Imagine arguing that ISIS officials are off-limits because they're "not paramilitary". Hezbollah's occupation & control of southern Lebanon is against international law in the first place, but nobody actually wants to deal with that problem. I've never seen a comment that criticizes Hezbollah violations of UN Resolution 1701 the way that people criticize Israel.

lenerdenator 2y ago

Sounds to me like they need to disarm, then. Same with Hamas, really. At this point anything either organization does basically violates the "just war" (oxymoron, I know) tenant of only attacking an enemy when you believe you have a reasonable chance of success.

diggan 2y ago
> Sounds to me like they need to disarm, then. I'd want all militaries to disarm too, unlikely to happen unless everyone starts to agree to not get into everyone else's business. So besides getting everyone to disarm, what could we do?
- lenerdenator 2y ago
  Generally speaking, when the Israelis mutually recognize Arab nations, they respect the terms of the agreement. Jordan and Egypt are examples. So long as the other party says "you get to exist" and doesn't actively tolerate anti-Israeli militant activity within their borders, Israel won't use its military against them. There are probably some exceptions to this rule, and yes, their occupation of the West Bank violates international law, but attacking just no longer works. Gaza lies in ruins and the IDF conducts operations in the area at will. There are currently thousands of people wrapping their electronics in aluminum foil in Lebanon. Disarming and sitting down to talk in brokered negotiations is probably more effective at this point.
bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
It's "tenet", not "tenant".

booleandilemma 2y ago

It's worth remembering that Hezbollah as a whole is more than just the paramilitary branch which is commonly referred to as a terrorist organization. Is that right? Then their flag on wikipedia is even funnier. It screams "Islamic terrorists". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah