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Given how indiscriminate the IED campaign in Lebanon is, it's quite reasonable to believe the parent poster is merely Lebanese and scared.

alwa 2y ago
Indiscriminate? Aren’t these operations targeting individual pieces of military operational hardware, the sort of thing that only combatants have any reason to have, and that the combatant force keeps confined to its own personnel for security reasons? Tawdry, unsportsmanlike, I can see those lines of criticism—but how does it get much more discriminate than this?
- borski 2y ago
  Yes. It is the definition of discriminate. The only more discriminate attack would be individual in-person assassination. Everyone seems to want to find a reason to claim Israel is targeting civilians here, but they aren’t. This is surgical, which is what everyone wanted Israel to do more of, when it came to how they wage war.
  - nemomarx 2y ago
    It's more discriminate than bombs, but like poisoning food and hoping it gets to the right target I think anything where you don't actually see the person before choosing to detonate isn't that surgical either. They couldn't actually check if the pagers were on the targets at the time or etc.
    - borski 2y ago
      But they didn’t arbitrarily poison food and hope it got to their target, poisoning all sorts of civilians along the way. That is a strawman. These devices were not used by non-militants. These devices were used for communications, by militants. No civilian was “playing with” or using these devices, as they were issued by Hezbollah to their operatives. It would be no different from targeting specific guns used by Hezbollah and booby-trapping them to shoot backwards. That is a targeted attack.
      - talldayo 2y ago
        > No civilian was “playing with” or using these devices That's a statement you have to prove if you want it to qualify.
Sam6late 2y ago
EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell to condemn the "indiscriminate" nature of the covert operation. "Even if the attacks seem to have been targeted, they had heavy, indiscriminate collateral damages among civilians, including children among the victims." Borrell said. Edward Snowden :“What Israel has just done is, via any method, reckless. They blew up countless numbers of people who were driving (meaning cars out of control), shopping (your children are in the stroller standing behind him in the checkout line), et cetera. Indistinguishable from terrorism.”

alwa 2y ago

Indiscriminate? Aren’t these operations targeting individual pieces of military operational hardware, the sort of thing that only combatants have any reason to have, and that the combatant force keeps confined to its own personnel for security reasons? Tawdry, unsportsmanlike, I can see those lines of criticism—but how does it get much more discriminate than this?

borski 2y ago
Yes. It is the definition of discriminate. The only more discriminate attack would be individual in-person assassination. Everyone seems to want to find a reason to claim Israel is targeting civilians here, but they aren’t. This is surgical, which is what everyone wanted Israel to do more of, when it came to how they wage war.
- nemomarx 2y ago
  It's more discriminate than bombs, but like poisoning food and hoping it gets to the right target I think anything where you don't actually see the person before choosing to detonate isn't that surgical either. They couldn't actually check if the pagers were on the targets at the time or etc.
  - borski 2y ago
    But they didn’t arbitrarily poison food and hope it got to their target, poisoning all sorts of civilians along the way. That is a strawman. These devices were not used by non-militants. These devices were used for communications, by militants. No civilian was “playing with” or using these devices, as they were issued by Hezbollah to their operatives. It would be no different from targeting specific guns used by Hezbollah and booby-trapping them to shoot backwards. That is a targeted attack.
    - talldayo 2y ago
      > No civilian was “playing with” or using these devices That's a statement you have to prove if you want it to qualify.

Sam6late 2y ago

EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell to condemn the "indiscriminate" nature of the covert operation. "Even if the attacks seem to have been targeted, they had heavy, indiscriminate collateral damages among civilians, including children among the victims." Borrell said. Edward Snowden :“What Israel has just done is, via any method, reckless. They blew up countless numbers of people who were driving (meaning cars out of control), shopping (your children are in the stroller standing behind him in the checkout line), et cetera. Indistinguishable from terrorism.”