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I'm all for lower emissions, I own an EV. But its silly to go after Cobb which only has 81k sales over 20 years while Ford sells 750k F-150s a year. Yes I know

I'm all for lower emissions, I own an EV. But its silly to go after Cobb which only has 81k sales over 20 years while Ford sells 750k F-150s a year. Yes I know what Cobb is doing is illegal and F-150s are legal, but in the grand scheme of things...

enragedcacti 2y ago
edit: see reply, cobb got hit for gas tuners, not diesel, and cobb tuners are 1:1 per car 81k tuners which can each flash any number of trucks, and a full emissions delete on a diesel pickup emits ~300x the pollution of an unmodified vehicle. Further, those 750k trucks are providing astronomically more utility relative to their pollution than diesel drivers are getting out of their +XX HP or +X MPG.
- not_the_fda 2y ago
  Cobb doesn't sell full emissions delete. They sell performance maps which, yes, increases emissions slightly, not 300x. These aren't the devices you buy to roll coal. And its mostly 1-1 sales. 750k F-150s getting sub 20MPG is the bigger problem than the niche tuner market.
- bri3d 2y ago
  > 81k tuners which can each flash any number of trucks Cobb hardware has a 1:1 "marriage" system with a given vehicle. > a full emissions delete on a diesel pickup emits ~300x the pollution of an unmodified vehicle This is gasoline tuning. I agree that diesel defeat tuning is awful and should be aggressively destroyed. This isn't that. The calculus for gas tuning is dramatically different from diesel; the fundamental reason is basically that the operating range for a gas engine is tighter and they simply can't be made as dirty as a diesel (plus, the engines are generally physically smaller and just can't pump as much pollutant out no matter how hard you try).
  - enragedcacti 2y ago
    Ahh thanks for the correction, I mixed this up/assumed it was part of the EPA diesel tuning case from last week. You're totally right, gas tuning is definitely not a big deal by comparison although they definitely shouldn't have been facilitating the sale of cat deletes. A cat delete alone causes a 10x-100x increase in pollutants before tuning.

enragedcacti 2y ago

edit: see reply, cobb got hit for gas tuners, not diesel, and cobb tuners are 1:1 per car 81k tuners which can each flash any number of trucks, and a full emissions delete on a diesel pickup emits ~300x the pollution of an unmodified vehicle. Further, those 750k trucks are providing astronomically more utility relative to their pollution than diesel drivers are getting out of their +XX HP or +X MPG.

not_the_fda 2y ago
Cobb doesn't sell full emissions delete. They sell performance maps which, yes, increases emissions slightly, not 300x. These aren't the devices you buy to roll coal. And its mostly 1-1 sales. 750k F-150s getting sub 20MPG is the bigger problem than the niche tuner market.
bri3d 2y ago
> 81k tuners which can each flash any number of trucks Cobb hardware has a 1:1 "marriage" system with a given vehicle. > a full emissions delete on a diesel pickup emits ~300x the pollution of an unmodified vehicle This is gasoline tuning. I agree that diesel defeat tuning is awful and should be aggressively destroyed. This isn't that. The calculus for gas tuning is dramatically different from diesel; the fundamental reason is basically that the operating range for a gas engine is tighter and they simply can't be made as dirty as a diesel (plus, the engines are generally physically smaller and just can't pump as much pollutant out no matter how hard you try).
- enragedcacti 2y ago
  Ahh thanks for the correction, I mixed this up/assumed it was part of the EPA diesel tuning case from last week. You're totally right, gas tuning is definitely not a big deal by comparison although they definitely shouldn't have been facilitating the sale of cat deletes. A cat delete alone causes a 10x-100x increase in pollutants before tuning.