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I assume by "many countries" you mean the US and its allies? Is that it then? Your definition of "terrorist" is whoever the West designates a terrorist? Ergo Ne

I assume by "many countries" you mean the US and its allies? Is that it then? Your definition of "terrorist" is whoever the West designates a terrorist? Ergo Nelson Mandela was a terrorist.

bamboozled 2y ago
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- rowanseymour 2y ago
  Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist?
  - XajniN 2y ago
    Technically yes
- cornercasechase 2y ago
  No I do not share values with the US government, which largely represents AIPAC’s interests and not my own.
minkles 2y ago
What about The Arab League? They're designating them as terrorists, US or not... Edit: Above is retracted - cjbprime found later information.
- cjbprime 2y ago
  Do you have a source? I didn't think any of the 22 countries in the Arab League considered Hezbollah to be a terrorist organization (either its political branch or its militia!). Many of the countries you mention consider the militia to be a terrorist organization, but not the political wing. I wonder whether the pagers were carried by both groups.
  - minkles 2y ago
    https://english.alarabiya.net/2016/03/11/Arab-League-declares-Lebanon-s-Hezbollah-terror-group https://english.alarabiya.net/2016/03/11/Arab-League-declare... I suspect it's somewhat inconsistent but they are a big problem for many states who are looking at political and economical stability.
    - cjbprime 2y ago
      Ah, this designation appears to be outdated -- it was rescinded a few months ago, according to https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-30/ty-article/arab-league-no-longer-views-hezbollah-as-terrorist-group-top-official-says/00000190-68ed-d747-add0-e8fd4a5e0000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-30/ty-article/ar...
      - minkles 2y ago
        Thanks for clarification - have retracted my original comment. Much appreciated.
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stemlord 2y ago
Yes that is how "terrorism" is defined: one geopolitical entity's enemy relative to another See here, even the US military can be labeled terrorists in the eyes of american people https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41578412 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41578412
juancn 2y ago
[There are a few](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_g...) Surprisingly there are several Arab countries, including the [Gulf Cooperation Council](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Cooperation_Council https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Cooperation_Council), and the UAE.
- za3faran 2y ago
  Hamas: European Union,[158][200] Argentina,[201][202] Australia,[17] Canada,[8] Israel,[203] Japan,[81][18] New Zealand,[162] Paraguay,[84] United Kingdom,[204] United States,[16] Organization of American States[205] Yep, all western countries/entities, as expected.
  - TeaBrain 2y ago
    You've misread the comments above. The above comments are all referencing Hezbollah, not Hamas.
    - cholantesh 2y ago
      Still applies; the only outlier in the Hezbollah entry is Malaysia, who most likely are doing so on sectarian lines or to follow the KSA's lead.
- cholantesh 2y ago
  Not especially surprising, the GCC (of which the UAE is a member state) are Sunni petro-states that have been aligned with the US since the 50s. Hezbollah is a Shiite group who are patronized by Iran, who are the chief geopolitical rival of GCC countries and compete with them to sell fossil fuels on the international market.
xtracto 2y ago
I find it very difficult and out of place to discuss these kind of matters in HN. particularly because it is a very US centric forum, the user base share a lot of preconceptions and ideals that come from the education their society gave them. It's expected, it's OK, but it just prevents discussion of certain topics.
stefantalpalaru 2y ago
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I assume by "many countries" you mean the US and its allies? Is that it then? Your definition of "terrorist" is whoever the West designates a terrorist? Ergo Nelson Mandela was a terrorist.

bamboozled 2y ago

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rowanseymour 2y ago
Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist?
- XajniN 2y ago
  Technically yes
cornercasechase 2y ago
No I do not share values with the US government, which largely represents AIPAC’s interests and not my own.

minkles 2y ago

What about The Arab League? They're designating them as terrorists, US or not... Edit: Above is retracted - cjbprime found later information.

cjbprime 2y ago
Do you have a source? I didn't think any of the 22 countries in the Arab League considered Hezbollah to be a terrorist organization (either its political branch or its militia!). Many of the countries you mention consider the militia to be a terrorist organization, but not the political wing. I wonder whether the pagers were carried by both groups.
- minkles 2y ago
  https://english.alarabiya.net/2016/03/11/Arab-League-declares-Lebanon-s-Hezbollah-terror-group https://english.alarabiya.net/2016/03/11/Arab-League-declare... I suspect it's somewhat inconsistent but they are a big problem for many states who are looking at political and economical stability.
  - cjbprime 2y ago
    Ah, this designation appears to be outdated -- it was rescinded a few months ago, according to https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-30/ty-article/arab-league-no-longer-views-hezbollah-as-terrorist-group-top-official-says/00000190-68ed-d747-add0-e8fd4a5e0000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-30/ty-article/ar...
    - minkles 2y ago
      Thanks for clarification - have retracted my original comment. Much appreciated.

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stemlord 2y ago

Yes that is how "terrorism" is defined: one geopolitical entity's enemy relative to another See here, even the US military can be labeled terrorists in the eyes of american people https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41578412 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41578412

juancn 2y ago

[There are a few](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_g...) Surprisingly there are several Arab countries, including the [Gulf Cooperation Council](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Cooperation_Council https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Cooperation_Council), and the UAE.

za3faran 2y ago
Hamas: European Union,[158][200] Argentina,[201][202] Australia,[17] Canada,[8] Israel,[203] Japan,[81][18] New Zealand,[162] Paraguay,[84] United Kingdom,[204] United States,[16] Organization of American States[205] Yep, all western countries/entities, as expected.
- TeaBrain 2y ago
  You've misread the comments above. The above comments are all referencing Hezbollah, not Hamas.
  - cholantesh 2y ago
    Still applies; the only outlier in the Hezbollah entry is Malaysia, who most likely are doing so on sectarian lines or to follow the KSA's lead.
cholantesh 2y ago
Not especially surprising, the GCC (of which the UAE is a member state) are Sunni petro-states that have been aligned with the US since the 50s. Hezbollah is a Shiite group who are patronized by Iran, who are the chief geopolitical rival of GCC countries and compete with them to sell fossil fuels on the international market.

xtracto 2y ago

I find it very difficult and out of place to discuss these kind of matters in HN. particularly because it is a very US centric forum, the user base share a lot of preconceptions and ideals that come from the education their society gave them. It's expected, it's OK, but it just prevents discussion of certain topics.

stefantalpalaru 2y ago

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