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Massive, massive L for Israel. No one in their right mind is going to use Israeli tech or products going forward. They just devastated their own economy.

Eliezer 2y ago
These weren't Israeli products. If I were Mossad, I'd compromise anything except an Israeli or Jewish-owned product.
- anigbrowl 2y ago
  That's beside the point, though. Imagine you are in some non-aligned/involved country with no real stake in MENA politics, idk Thailand or Peru. Corporate/national security is your job. Absent some specific need that can't be supplied by anyone else, would you want to do business with them?
atemerev 2y ago
Depends on which side you are on.
- mardifoufs 2y ago
  I mean regardless of which side you're on, you still wouldn't want to end up with a product that has a bomb in it by accident, even if it wasn't targeted against you.
  - atemerev 2y ago
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    - I-M-S 2y ago
      Are you a citizen of Lebanon?
    - mardifoufs 2y ago
      Yeah, I'm sure that Israel is just so good that every single device didn't end up being owned by any one else. I mean Israel is really really good at avoiding collateral damage (according to Israel), so everyone who's on the receiving end of this was Hezbollah (according to Mossad). I mean, they do have the most humanitarian army in the world after all (according to the IDF casualty reports)
      - atemerev 2y ago
        Well, if I have to choose whether I believe IDF or Hamas, I obviously choose IDF.
        mardifoufs 2y ago
        That's a false dichotomy. I'm just saying that believing the IDF is non sense. They have never ever shown any ability to admit wrongful doing. Like even statistically, it's impossible for them to never hit the wrong target. Yet going by the IDF reports, that's more or less been the case for the past 50 years. They have also faked evidence and videos (the famous video in a hospital that showed "Hamas symbols" when it was an Arabic calendar) At that point, even the Russian military's figures might be more reliable. As there are a few instances of publically admitting to destroying a civilian-only target ("by mistake" according to them).
        atemerev 2y ago
        I have seen instances of IDF admitting their mistakes, in this war as well. Like, the hand grenade at the mosque incident. I haven’t seen anything like this from the other side. For them, every Jew is the enemy.

Eliezer 2y ago

These weren't Israeli products. If I were Mossad, I'd compromise anything except an Israeli or Jewish-owned product.

anigbrowl 2y ago
That's beside the point, though. Imagine you are in some non-aligned/involved country with no real stake in MENA politics, idk Thailand or Peru. Corporate/national security is your job. Absent some specific need that can't be supplied by anyone else, would you want to do business with them?

atemerev 2y ago

Depends on which side you are on.

mardifoufs 2y ago
I mean regardless of which side you're on, you still wouldn't want to end up with a product that has a bomb in it by accident, even if it wasn't targeted against you.
- atemerev 2y ago
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  - I-M-S 2y ago
    Are you a citizen of Lebanon?
  - mardifoufs 2y ago
    Yeah, I'm sure that Israel is just so good that every single device didn't end up being owned by any one else. I mean Israel is really really good at avoiding collateral damage (according to Israel), so everyone who's on the receiving end of this was Hezbollah (according to Mossad). I mean, they do have the most humanitarian army in the world after all (according to the IDF casualty reports)
    - atemerev 2y ago
      Well, if I have to choose whether I believe IDF or Hamas, I obviously choose IDF.
      - mardifoufs 2y ago
        That's a false dichotomy. I'm just saying that believing the IDF is non sense. They have never ever shown any ability to admit wrongful doing. Like even statistically, it's impossible for them to never hit the wrong target. Yet going by the IDF reports, that's more or less been the case for the past 50 years. They have also faked evidence and videos (the famous video in a hospital that showed "Hamas symbols" when it was an Arabic calendar) At that point, even the Russian military's figures might be more reliable. As there are a few instances of publically admitting to destroying a civilian-only target ("by mistake" according to them).
        atemerev 2y ago
        I have seen instances of IDF admitting their mistakes, in this war as well. Like, the hand grenade at the mosque incident. I haven’t seen anything like this from the other side. For them, every Jew is the enemy.