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You knew this was coming... >"Remove any delete features from its custom tuning software and, to the extent possible, force updates to end-users to remove the

You knew this was coming... >"Remove any delete features from its custom tuning software and, to the extent possible, force updates to end-users to remove the delete features"

sidewndr46 2y ago
I'm curious what kind of sanction a civil fine from a federal agency gives them in this case. For example, if they used a 0 day to compromise my laptop and remove these features would they be within federal law?
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  > A "full delete" of the emission controls on a modern heavy-duty diesel pickup truck can cause it to emit as much harmful pollution as 300 trucks with fully functioning emissions controls! Tampering with only some components also leads to significantly elevated emissions of NOx, PM, carbon monoxide, and hydrocarbons. These pollutants contribute to a variety of public health problems, such as premature death in people with heart or lung disease, heart attacks, irregular heartbeat, aggravated asthma, decreased lung function, and respiratory symptoms such as irritation of the airways, coughing, or difficulty breathing. NOx reacts with sunlight to cause ground-level ozone pollution (smog), so visibility, discomfort and illness may increase in the summer, when people enjoy being outside and traffic increases with travel to vacation and recreation areas. > Violations are widespread and financial penalties are significant. Those who sell or install devices to defeat emission controls can be fined over $5,000 per defeat device, and dealers can be fined over $5,000 per tampered vehicle. Nationally, EPA has settled over 100 civil tampering cases to date, and the Department of Justice has won jail terms and high fines in criminal cases. Federal statute in below citation. https://cleanairnortheast.epa.gov/tampering.html https://cleanairnortheast.epa.gov/tampering.html
dvdbloc 2y ago
I wonder to what extent possible is it possible to avoid this by air gapping your tuning computer from now on.
- bri3d 2y ago
  Yes. This was already implemented quite a long time ago by Cobb (2022 - they called it Project Green Speed), the settlement is just now becoming public. Many tuners air-gapped their tuning computers and hoarded old AccessPorts. However, in exchange they don't get new features, and since Cobb is an end-to-end locked platform (flashing, editing, and logging must all be done using the Cobb tools), this is a fairly significant price to pay.

You knew this was coming... >"Remove any delete features from its custom tuning software and, to the extent possible, force updates to end-users to remove the delete features"

sidewndr46 2y ago

I'm curious what kind of sanction a civil fine from a federal agency gives them in this case. For example, if they used a 0 day to compromise my laptop and remove these features would they be within federal law?

toomuchtodo 2y ago
> A "full delete" of the emission controls on a modern heavy-duty diesel pickup truck can cause it to emit as much harmful pollution as 300 trucks with fully functioning emissions controls! Tampering with only some components also leads to significantly elevated emissions of NOx, PM, carbon monoxide, and hydrocarbons. These pollutants contribute to a variety of public health problems, such as premature death in people with heart or lung disease, heart attacks, irregular heartbeat, aggravated asthma, decreased lung function, and respiratory symptoms such as irritation of the airways, coughing, or difficulty breathing. NOx reacts with sunlight to cause ground-level ozone pollution (smog), so visibility, discomfort and illness may increase in the summer, when people enjoy being outside and traffic increases with travel to vacation and recreation areas. > Violations are widespread and financial penalties are significant. Those who sell or install devices to defeat emission controls can be fined over $5,000 per defeat device, and dealers can be fined over $5,000 per tampered vehicle. Nationally, EPA has settled over 100 civil tampering cases to date, and the Department of Justice has won jail terms and high fines in criminal cases. Federal statute in below citation. https://cleanairnortheast.epa.gov/tampering.html https://cleanairnortheast.epa.gov/tampering.html

dvdbloc 2y ago

I wonder to what extent possible is it possible to avoid this by air gapping your tuning computer from now on.

bri3d 2y ago
Yes. This was already implemented quite a long time ago by Cobb (2022 - they called it Project Green Speed), the settlement is just now becoming public. Many tuners air-gapped their tuning computers and hoarded old AccessPorts. However, in exchange they don't get new features, and since Cobb is an end-to-end locked platform (flashing, editing, and logging must all be done using the Cobb tools), this is a fairly significant price to pay.