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Java being required means this is a complete non-starter for me.

by freyday 14y ago

edoloughlin 14y ago
Do you have an ideological or practical opposition? Java is cross-platform enough for it not to be an issue. Are you memory-constrained?
- freyday 14y ago
  Mostly due to the security risk. Especially on Windows. Even being a software developer (read: not your average computer user) and taking extra precautions (like click-to-run for java use in browsers) I've still gotten hit by malware that takes advantage of security holes in the Java runtime.
  - __mark__ 14y ago
    You could use a virtual machine running Linux for more security.
  - cnf 14y ago
    I second the exact sentiment on OSX. And running a VM with linux (or windows, java is as much a pain on either platform) is a lot of effort for running an editor. As long as it needs java installed, I'm out...
  - lucian1900 14y ago
    Then disable the java plugin for all your browsers. I think you can even disable java web start.
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bjg 14y ago
How would you like them to run clojure, a JVM based language?
- JBiserkov 14y ago
  There is an official, up-to-date ("within a week or so of milestones on Clojure main") .NET port at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-clr https://github.com/clojure/clojure-clr Maybe once Light Table is somewhat stable, someone can hack it to use ClojureCLR for the benefit of the security-conscious Windows users :) I really should get involved in open source projects.
  - jurjenh 14y ago
    I think the issue will be compiling it for the CLR and then distributing it. The current script gets and runs a JAR, but I 'd imagine it would be relatively trivial to modify the script to run the CLR instead - but you'd have to build from the source included in the JAR (if it's all there...) Haven't had much experience with it myself, it has been a while since I've played with Clojure.
    - swaroop 14y ago
      Or simply use [IKVM](http://www.ikvm.net/ http://www.ikvm.net/).

Java being required means this is a complete non-starter for me.

by freyday 14y ago

Java being required means this is a complete non-starter for me.

Do you have an ideological or practical opposition? Java is cross-platform enough for it not to be an issue. Are you memory-constrained?

freyday 14y ago
Mostly due to the security risk. Especially on Windows. Even being a software developer (read: not your average computer user) and taking extra precautions (like click-to-run for java use in browsers) I've still gotten hit by malware that takes advantage of security holes in the Java runtime.
- __mark__ 14y ago
  You could use a virtual machine running Linux for more security.
- cnf 14y ago
  I second the exact sentiment on OSX. And running a VM with linux (or windows, java is as much a pain on either platform) is a lot of effort for running an editor. As long as it needs java installed, I'm out...
- lucian1900 14y ago
  Then disable the java plugin for all your browsers. I think you can even disable java web start.

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bjg 14y ago

How would you like them to run clojure, a JVM based language?

JBiserkov 14y ago
There is an official, up-to-date ("within a week or so of milestones on Clojure main") .NET port at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-clr https://github.com/clojure/clojure-clr Maybe once Light Table is somewhat stable, someone can hack it to use ClojureCLR for the benefit of the security-conscious Windows users :) I really should get involved in open source projects.
- jurjenh 14y ago
  I think the issue will be compiling it for the CLR and then distributing it. The current script gets and runs a JAR, but I 'd imagine it would be relatively trivial to modify the script to run the CLR instead - but you'd have to build from the source included in the JAR (if it's all there...) Haven't had much experience with it myself, it has been a while since I've played with Clojure.
  - swaroop 14y ago
    Or simply use [IKVM](http://www.ikvm.net/ http://www.ikvm.net/).