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Did we (the humans) somehow managed to pollute the internet so much with AI that's it's now barely usable ? In my opinion the internet can be considered as the

Did we (the humans) somehow managed to pollute the internet so much with AI that's it's now barely usable ? In my opinion the internet can be considered as the equivalent of a natural environment like the earth. it's a space where people share, meet, talk, etc. I find it astonishing that after polluting our natural environment we know polluted the internet.

nkozyra 2y ago
> Did we (the humans) somehow managed to pollute the internet so much with AI that's it's now barely usable If we haven't already, we will be very soon. I'm sure there are people working on this problem, but I think we're starting to hit a very imminent feedback loop moment. Most of human's recorded information is digitized and most of that is generating non-human content at an incredible pace. We've injected a whole lot of noise into our usable data. I don't know if the answer is more human content (I'm doing my part!) or novel generative content but this interim period is going to cause some medium-term challenges. I like to think the LLM more-tokens-equals-better era is fading and we're getting into better use of existing data, but there's a very real inflection point we're facing.
ashton314 2y ago
That's a nice analogy. Fortunately (un)real estate is easier to manufacture out of thin air online. We have lost some valuable spaces like Twitter and Reddit to some degree though.
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surfingdino 2y ago
Yes. Here are practical instructions on how to turn it into an even more of a cesspit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=endHz0jo9Ck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=endHz0jo9Ck I think it's now a law of nature that any new tech leads to SEO amplification. AI has become the Degelman M34 Manure Spreader of the internet https://degelman.com/products/manure-spreaders https://degelman.com/products/manure-spreaders
coldpie 2y ago
There are smaller, gated communities that are still very valuable. You're posting in one. But yes, the open Internet is basically useless now, thanks ultimately to advertising as a business model.
- nicholassmith 2y ago
  I've seen plenty of comments here that read like they've been generated by an LLM, if this is a gated community we need a better gate.
  - coldpie 2y ago
    Sure, there's bad actors everywhere, but there's really no incentive to do it here so I don't think it's a problem in the same way it is on the open internet, where slop is actively rewarded.
  - globular-toast 2y ago
    It's hard to tell, though. People have been saying my borderline autistic comments sound like GPT for years now.
- lobsterthief 2y ago
  Also our collective unwillingness to pay for subscriptions for publications
  - Drew_ 2y ago
    Publications need to charge a-la-carte instead of force feeding subscriptions.
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  this is not a gated community at all
  - coldpie 2y ago
    True, that is maybe too strong a phrase, but I think it's close to accurate. I think the culture & medium provide kind of a self-selecting gate: it's just plain text and links to articles, with the discussion expected by culture to be fairly serious. I think that turns off enough people that it kind of forms its own gate shutting out the people that make "eternal Septembers" happen. But yeah, ultimately, you're right.
thwarted 2y ago
Tragedy of the Commons Ruins Everything Around Me
left-struck 2y ago
>We the humans Nice try If it’s not clear, I’m joking.
mathnmusic 2y ago
> Did we (the humans) somehow managed to pollute the internet Corporations did that, not humans. "few people recognize that we already share our world with artificial creatures that participate as intelligent agents in our society: corporations" - https://arxiv.org/abs/1204.4116 https://arxiv.org/abs/1204.4116
egypturnash 2y ago
The public Internet has been relentlessly strip-mined for profit by ever since Canter & Siegel posted their immigration services ad to every single Usenet newsgroup.

nkozyra 2y ago

> Did we (the humans) somehow managed to pollute the internet so much with AI that's it's now barely usable If we haven't already, we will be very soon. I'm sure there are people working on this problem, but I think we're starting to hit a very imminent feedback loop moment. Most of human's recorded information is digitized and most of that is generating non-human content at an incredible pace. We've injected a whole lot of noise into our usable data. I don't know if the answer is more human content (I'm doing my part!) or novel generative content but this interim period is going to cause some medium-term challenges. I like to think the LLM more-tokens-equals-better era is fading and we're getting into better use of existing data, but there's a very real inflection point we're facing.

ashton314 2y ago

That's a nice analogy. Fortunately (un)real estate is easier to manufacture out of thin air online. We have lost some valuable spaces like Twitter and Reddit to some degree though.

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surfingdino 2y ago

Yes. Here are practical instructions on how to turn it into an even more of a cesspit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=endHz0jo9Ck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=endHz0jo9Ck I think it's now a law of nature that any new tech leads to SEO amplification. AI has become the Degelman M34 Manure Spreader of the internet https://degelman.com/products/manure-spreaders https://degelman.com/products/manure-spreaders

coldpie 2y ago

There are smaller, gated communities that are still very valuable. You're posting in one. But yes, the open Internet is basically useless now, thanks ultimately to advertising as a business model.

nicholassmith 2y ago
I've seen plenty of comments here that read like they've been generated by an LLM, if this is a gated community we need a better gate.
- coldpie 2y ago
  Sure, there's bad actors everywhere, but there's really no incentive to do it here so I don't think it's a problem in the same way it is on the open internet, where slop is actively rewarded.
- globular-toast 2y ago
  It's hard to tell, though. People have been saying my borderline autistic comments sound like GPT for years now.
lobsterthief 2y ago
Also our collective unwillingness to pay for subscriptions for publications
- Drew_ 2y ago
  Publications need to charge a-la-carte instead of force feeding subscriptions.
whimsicalism 2y ago
this is not a gated community at all
- coldpie 2y ago
  True, that is maybe too strong a phrase, but I think it's close to accurate. I think the culture & medium provide kind of a self-selecting gate: it's just plain text and links to articles, with the discussion expected by culture to be fairly serious. I think that turns off enough people that it kind of forms its own gate shutting out the people that make "eternal Septembers" happen. But yeah, ultimately, you're right.

thwarted 2y ago

Tragedy of the Commons Ruins Everything Around Me

left-struck 2y ago

>We the humans Nice try If it’s not clear, I’m joking.

mathnmusic 2y ago

> Did we (the humans) somehow managed to pollute the internet Corporations did that, not humans. "few people recognize that we already share our world with artificial creatures that participate as intelligent agents in our society: corporations" - https://arxiv.org/abs/1204.4116 https://arxiv.org/abs/1204.4116

egypturnash 2y ago

The public Internet has been relentlessly strip-mined for profit by ever since Canter & Siegel posted their immigration services ad to every single Usenet newsgroup.