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The terrorists didn't need an excuse to put bombs in pagers. The person you were responding was talking about the Hezbollah, though.

dijit 2y ago
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- School-Cotton 2y ago
  > Hezbollah are classified as a terror organisation by the UN That is not true. Lots of countries and organizations consider them a terrorist organization, but the UN isn’t one of them.
  - dijit 2y ago
    Ah, quite right, I mean the EU, apologies. > As of October 2020, Hezbollah or its military wing are considered terrorist organizations by at least 26 countries, as well as by the European Union and since 2017 by most member states of the Arab League, with the exception of Iraq and Lebanon, where Hezbollah is the most powerful political party.[374] > The countries that have designated Hezbollah a terrorist organization include: the Gulf Cooperation Council,[375] and their members Saudi Arabia,[376] Bahrain,[377] United Arab Emirates,[376] as well as Argentina,[378] Canada,[379] Colombia,[380] Estonia,[381] Germany,[382] Honduras,[383] Israel,[384] Kosovo,[385] Lithuania,[386] Malaysia,[387] Paraguay,[388] Serbia,[381] Slovenia,[389] United Kingdom,[390] United States,[391] and Guatemala.[392]
    - School-Cotton 2y ago
      The EU doesn’t consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization either — only its military wing. Much like people who considered the Provisional IRA to be terrorists but not Sinn Féin.
      - dijit 2y ago
        It's a shame that Hezbollah do not wear uniforms, a war crime[0]; because then it would be clear that these are military officers, and thus terrorists by that definition. Or is your statement that the people targeted were not military? Or... what's your point with this comment? [0]: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule65 https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule65
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        c0nducktr 2y ago
        Pretty bold to cry about war crimes while defending the actions of Israel.
        dijit 2y ago
        Pretty easy though, when Israel is clearly being held to a standard that their combatants aren't. I'll tell you now: I'm becoming more radicalised the more I see the absolute state of discourse here; it's not only polarised: it's completely asymmetric. It seems that it's not even possible for people to consider that the Islamic side has a part to play in what is happening, and to condemn both parties for the actions that they take, understanding that it's not equivalent in all areas.
        c0nducktr 2y ago
        Sure bud.
        dijit 2y ago
        Truly a scathing intellectual response. I will never recover.
        close04 2y ago
        > Pretty easy though, when Israel is clearly being held to a standard that their combatants aren't. If you look at it binary then both sides committed atrocities, war crimes, and generally acts of terror. If you look at the magnitude though one stands out. > the Islamic side has a part to play in what is happening Attempts to defend either are weak, nether is defensible really. But defending the side that took it orders of magnitude further with explanations like well the other side "had a part" are absolutely gross and reminiscent of explanations for certain atrocities a certain European country committed 80 years ago because "they" knew what they did to deserve it right? "They" also had a part to play.
- gghhzzgghhzz 2y ago
  "EU and the Arab League" EU does not classify Hezbollah as a terror organisation, only its military wing.
  - dijit 2y ago
    Who was attacked? My understanding was that it was exclusively military leaders and that the pagers were handed out specifically to combat Israeli surveillance.
gryzzly 2y ago
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dijit 2y ago

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School-Cotton 2y ago
> Hezbollah are classified as a terror organisation by the UN That is not true. Lots of countries and organizations consider them a terrorist organization, but the UN isn’t one of them.
- dijit 2y ago
  Ah, quite right, I mean the EU, apologies. > As of October 2020, Hezbollah or its military wing are considered terrorist organizations by at least 26 countries, as well as by the European Union and since 2017 by most member states of the Arab League, with the exception of Iraq and Lebanon, where Hezbollah is the most powerful political party.[374] > The countries that have designated Hezbollah a terrorist organization include: the Gulf Cooperation Council,[375] and their members Saudi Arabia,[376] Bahrain,[377] United Arab Emirates,[376] as well as Argentina,[378] Canada,[379] Colombia,[380] Estonia,[381] Germany,[382] Honduras,[383] Israel,[384] Kosovo,[385] Lithuania,[386] Malaysia,[387] Paraguay,[388] Serbia,[381] Slovenia,[389] United Kingdom,[390] United States,[391] and Guatemala.[392]
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    The EU doesn’t consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization either — only its military wing. Much like people who considered the Provisional IRA to be terrorists but not Sinn Féin.
    - dijit 2y ago
      It's a shame that Hezbollah do not wear uniforms, a war crime[0]; because then it would be clear that these are military officers, and thus terrorists by that definition. Or is your statement that the people targeted were not military? Or... what's your point with this comment? [0]: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule65 https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule65
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      - c0nducktr 2y ago
        Pretty bold to cry about war crimes while defending the actions of Israel.
        dijit 2y ago
        Pretty easy though, when Israel is clearly being held to a standard that their combatants aren't. I'll tell you now: I'm becoming more radicalised the more I see the absolute state of discourse here; it's not only polarised: it's completely asymmetric. It seems that it's not even possible for people to consider that the Islamic side has a part to play in what is happening, and to condemn both parties for the actions that they take, understanding that it's not equivalent in all areas.
        c0nducktr 2y ago
        Sure bud.
        dijit 2y ago
        Truly a scathing intellectual response. I will never recover.
        close04 2y ago
        > Pretty easy though, when Israel is clearly being held to a standard that their combatants aren't. If you look at it binary then both sides committed atrocities, war crimes, and generally acts of terror. If you look at the magnitude though one stands out. > the Islamic side has a part to play in what is happening Attempts to defend either are weak, nether is defensible really. But defending the side that took it orders of magnitude further with explanations like well the other side "had a part" are absolutely gross and reminiscent of explanations for certain atrocities a certain European country committed 80 years ago because "they" knew what they did to deserve it right? "They" also had a part to play.
gghhzzgghhzz 2y ago
"EU and the Arab League" EU does not classify Hezbollah as a terror organisation, only its military wing.
- dijit 2y ago
  Who was attacked? My understanding was that it was exclusively military leaders and that the pagers were handed out specifically to combat Israeli surveillance.

gryzzly 2y ago

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