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"There's only four things we do better than anyone else: music movies microcode high-speed pizza delivery” -― Neal Stephenson, Snow Crash, 1992

kleiba 2y ago
Debatable.
- kibwen 2y ago
  Snow Crash is tongue-in-cheek. The line above is the inner monologue of a samurai-sword-wielding high-speed pizza-delivering super-hacker martial artist.
chx 2y ago
Excellent quote. While the effect of American music is huge without a doubt let me go off on a personal tangent because it's related. I have immigrated from my homeland (first to Canada and then Malta) and I usually say "I had the bad luck to be born in Hungary but I fixed that when I could". In other words, I am not particularly fond of the country / people living in there. But it being my mother tongue, growing up there has an interesting effect: some Hungarian songs have a much stronger emotional effect than any in say English. These are not even songs I knew as a child. I am actually quite curious whether there has been scientific research in this.
- axus 2y ago
  I'd bet the culture that produced the singers and songwriters mattered more than the language, but how could I measure those independently
- tirant 2y ago
  Nelson Mandela had a famous quote about the power of speaking someone's native language: "If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his heart." The idea here is pretty straightforward: speaking to someone in a language they merely understand reaches them intellectually, but speaking in their mother tongue resonates on a deeper, emotional level. You can imagine now why songs in Hungarian resonate more to you than the ones in English.
- bigiain 2y ago
  I shall follow you down your personal/Hungarian tangent... There was a guy called Jackie Orszaczky who was a Hungarian jazz/funk musician - bass player, bandleader, and singer - here (in Sydney, Australia) who made some of my most loved jazz/funk music. This is one of his bands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hydb0dyB9GQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hydb0dyB9GQ Sadly, he died about 15 years back, way too early. Fuck Cancer. Apparently he was "a big deal" in Hungary, at least amongst music circles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Orszaczky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Orszaczky
- chx 2y ago
  Update: https://reddit.com/r/cogsci/comments/1fjo6f7/song_lyrics_in_mother_tongue_vs_learned_has/lnuydpz/ https://reddit.com/r/cogsci/comments/1fjo6f7/song_lyrics_in_... this is a very helpful comment pointing out there is, indeed research on the subject.
robertlagrant 2y ago
Markets
- kibwen 2y ago
  Markets cease to function efficiently in the presence of massive concentrations of wealth. But if by saying America is good at "markets" we actually mean the latter, then yes.
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    > Markets cease to function efficiently in the presence of massive concentrations of wealth Why?
    - Bluecobra 2y ago
      My guess is that it has to do with index funds.
      - eru 2y ago
        Huh, how?
    - mitthrowaway2 2y ago
      Not the OP, but one reason is because concentrated wealth allows you to adjust the rules of the market or suppress competition. Another reason is that the market only rewards you for delivering value to people who can pay for it, so wealth concentration skews the production of goods towards a small quantity of luxury items, which lack the economies of scale for efficient production. This may still be a Pareto efficient market but not one that maximizes national wealth or welfare.
    - kibwen 2y ago
      The self-balancing mechanism of markets requires "skin in the game", which is to say, there must be incentive for individual actors to make wise decisions backed by the risk of loss. However, as wealth accumulates, the marginal value of a dollar decreases. Beyond a certain point of wealth accumulation, losing money is no longer a punishment, which means wise decisions are no longer systematically incentivized. This gives individual actors unilateral power to keep markets irrational for longer than wise actors can remain solvent, creating market failure.

kleiba 2y ago

Debatable.

kibwen 2y ago
Snow Crash is tongue-in-cheek. The line above is the inner monologue of a samurai-sword-wielding high-speed pizza-delivering super-hacker martial artist.

chx 2y ago

Excellent quote. While the effect of American music is huge without a doubt let me go off on a personal tangent because it's related. I have immigrated from my homeland (first to Canada and then Malta) and I usually say "I had the bad luck to be born in Hungary but I fixed that when I could". In other words, I am not particularly fond of the country / people living in there. But it being my mother tongue, growing up there has an interesting effect: some Hungarian songs have a much stronger emotional effect than any in say English. These are not even songs I knew as a child. I am actually quite curious whether there has been scientific research in this.

axus 2y ago
I'd bet the culture that produced the singers and songwriters mattered more than the language, but how could I measure those independently
tirant 2y ago
Nelson Mandela had a famous quote about the power of speaking someone's native language: "If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his heart." The idea here is pretty straightforward: speaking to someone in a language they merely understand reaches them intellectually, but speaking in their mother tongue resonates on a deeper, emotional level. You can imagine now why songs in Hungarian resonate more to you than the ones in English.
bigiain 2y ago
I shall follow you down your personal/Hungarian tangent... There was a guy called Jackie Orszaczky who was a Hungarian jazz/funk musician - bass player, bandleader, and singer - here (in Sydney, Australia) who made some of my most loved jazz/funk music. This is one of his bands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hydb0dyB9GQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hydb0dyB9GQ Sadly, he died about 15 years back, way too early. Fuck Cancer. Apparently he was "a big deal" in Hungary, at least amongst music circles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Orszaczky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Orszaczky
chx 2y ago
Update: https://reddit.com/r/cogsci/comments/1fjo6f7/song_lyrics_in_mother_tongue_vs_learned_has/lnuydpz/ https://reddit.com/r/cogsci/comments/1fjo6f7/song_lyrics_in_... this is a very helpful comment pointing out there is, indeed research on the subject.

robertlagrant 2y ago

Markets

kibwen 2y ago
Markets cease to function efficiently in the presence of massive concentrations of wealth. But if by saying America is good at "markets" we actually mean the latter, then yes.
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  > Markets cease to function efficiently in the presence of massive concentrations of wealth Why?
  - Bluecobra 2y ago
    My guess is that it has to do with index funds.
    - eru 2y ago
      Huh, how?
  - mitthrowaway2 2y ago
    Not the OP, but one reason is because concentrated wealth allows you to adjust the rules of the market or suppress competition. Another reason is that the market only rewards you for delivering value to people who can pay for it, so wealth concentration skews the production of goods towards a small quantity of luxury items, which lack the economies of scale for efficient production. This may still be a Pareto efficient market but not one that maximizes national wealth or welfare.
  - kibwen 2y ago
    The self-balancing mechanism of markets requires "skin in the game", which is to say, there must be incentive for individual actors to make wise decisions backed by the risk of loss. However, as wealth accumulates, the marginal value of a dollar decreases. Beyond a certain point of wealth accumulation, losing money is no longer a punishment, which means wise decisions are no longer systematically incentivized. This gives individual actors unilateral power to keep markets irrational for longer than wise actors can remain solvent, creating market failure.