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Yeah but if you’re dealing with hardware with any kind of Israeli involvement, do you really want to open every single customer unit to make sure one of the cap

Yeah but if you’re dealing with hardware with any kind of Israeli involvement, do you really want to open every single customer unit to make sure one of the capacitors hasn’t been swapped for C4? I think that’s what the poster was indicating. At first I thought yesterday’s action was deviously impressive. Now I’m starting to think it’s actually shortsighted and bizarre. It’s a declaration of war on Lebanon, and obviously a declaration of a war they think they can win, but no good can come of this action.

charbroiled 2y ago
Israel and Hezbollah have been at war since October 8, when Hezbollah started firing guided rockets at Israel.
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  They have been at war since they were founded in 1982, when Israel invaded Lebanon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
  - charbroiled 2y ago
    There has been a UN-brokered ceasefire since the later 2006 war. Minor issues have occurred since then, but October 8 was the first major escalation between the two in almost twenty years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Counci...
  - shwouchk 2y ago
    If you want to run with this argument, they have been at war since 1948, when all of Israel's neighbors including Lebanon invaded Israel following the UN vote to grant Israel statehood and Israel's declaration of independence.
shykes 2y ago
> It’s a declaration of war on Lebanon A few observations: 1. This is an attack against Hezbollah, not Lebanon. The two entities are tightly coupled, but they are not the same. 2. Israel and Hezbollah are already at war. 60,000 Israelis have been displaced because of Hezbollah ongoing rocket and missile attacks. Israel has retaliated in various ways. TLDR: you can argue that this is an act of war against Hezbollah. But it is not a declaration of war, and it is not against Lebanon.
- gizajob 2y ago
  In Britain, if the mobile phones of 3000 members of the non-governing Conservative Party exploded in their pockets caused by the armed forces of a different state, one could be reasonably assured you just declared open war on Britain.
  - colinb 2y ago
    What if the pockets of IRA members had exploded (yes, I know. Say 40 years ago when they were doing their share of bombing)? Does anyone seriously dispute that Hezbollah is a proxy army for Iran? I think your comparison stops holding wage as,soon as you mention the Conservative Party. They just aren’t the same thing as Hezbollah.
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  - shykes 2y ago
    For a more accurate analogy, imagine if Conservative Party were a terrorist organization with its own military, took direct orders from Iran, had claimed for itself all of Wales, and had been firing thousands of missiles into France without cooperating in any way with either the British government or army. Then imagine that France predictably shoots back, and takes great care to specifically target members of that terrorist group. In this more accurate analogy, would you still say that France declared open war on Britain? I would say no - that the terrorist group is the one that declared war; and that France is clearly engaging in acts of war against that terrorist group, which happens to be embedded in a host country, like a parasite.

charbroiled 2y ago

Israel and Hezbollah have been at war since October 8, when Hezbollah started firing guided rockets at Israel.

Cthulhu_ 2y ago
They have been at war since they were founded in 1982, when Israel invaded Lebanon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
- charbroiled 2y ago
  There has been a UN-brokered ceasefire since the later 2006 war. Minor issues have occurred since then, but October 8 was the first major escalation between the two in almost twenty years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Counci...
- shwouchk 2y ago
  If you want to run with this argument, they have been at war since 1948, when all of Israel's neighbors including Lebanon invaded Israel following the UN vote to grant Israel statehood and Israel's declaration of independence.

shykes 2y ago

> It’s a declaration of war on Lebanon A few observations: 1. This is an attack against Hezbollah, not Lebanon. The two entities are tightly coupled, but they are not the same. 2. Israel and Hezbollah are already at war. 60,000 Israelis have been displaced because of Hezbollah ongoing rocket and missile attacks. Israel has retaliated in various ways. TLDR: you can argue that this is an act of war against Hezbollah. But it is not a declaration of war, and it is not against Lebanon.

gizajob 2y ago
In Britain, if the mobile phones of 3000 members of the non-governing Conservative Party exploded in their pockets caused by the armed forces of a different state, one could be reasonably assured you just declared open war on Britain.
- colinb 2y ago
  What if the pockets of IRA members had exploded (yes, I know. Say 40 years ago when they were doing their share of bombing)? Does anyone seriously dispute that Hezbollah is a proxy army for Iran? I think your comparison stops holding wage as,soon as you mention the Conservative Party. They just aren’t the same thing as Hezbollah.
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- shykes 2y ago
  For a more accurate analogy, imagine if Conservative Party were a terrorist organization with its own military, took direct orders from Iran, had claimed for itself all of Wales, and had been firing thousands of missiles into France without cooperating in any way with either the British government or army. Then imagine that France predictably shoots back, and takes great care to specifically target members of that terrorist group. In this more accurate analogy, would you still say that France declared open war on Britain? I would say no - that the terrorist group is the one that declared war; and that France is clearly engaging in acts of war against that terrorist group, which happens to be embedded in a host country, like a parasite.