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Why can't America build a TSMC from scratch?
by brcmthrowaway 2y ago
Why can't America build a TSMC from scratch?
- shiroiushi 2y agoThey did! It's called "Intel".
- arcticbull 2y agoAnd GlobalFoundries (ex-AMD, ex-IBM). There's also less cutting edge process stuff at ONSemi, TI, Micron, Analog Devices, Diodes Inc and I'm sure I'm missing a few. Even Apple has their own fab.
- electronbeam 2y agoI hadn’t heard about Apple, is the node size public?
- arcticbull 2y agoThey picked up the old Maxim fab in San Jose almost 10 years ago. Not sure what's happening in there now and I assume the people who do aren't likely to spill the beans :) unless its as shuttered I guess. [1] https://appleinsider.com/articles/15/12/14/apple-buys-former-maxim-chip-fab-in-north-san-jose-neighboring-samsung-semiconductor- https://appleinsider.com/articles/15/12/14/apple-buys-former...
- Reason077 2y agoThe San Jose facility is active. There was some controversy surrounding it recently as some members of the public have been complaining that they’ve been illegally releasing solvents into the environment, which resulted in some EPA investigation/enforcement action [1]. According to some reports they may be developing micro-LED display tech there, not necessarily chips. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40772224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40772224
- KSS42 2y agoGF is 14/12 nm. Not really cutting edge anymore
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- electronbeam 2y agoIts called Intel Foundry
- trollian 2y agoHave you even met Americans? We're terrible at this kind of thing.
- Cthulhu_ 2y agoDo you know who invented and developed transistors, microchips and their manufacturing processes?
- handfuloflight 2y agoAre the inventors of the wheel still in the driver's seat?
- mrguyorama 2y agoThe past is another country. Find me a modern US exec willing to actually invest in a risky hardware prospect, rather than throwing a billion dollars into real estate or "content" that can be filled with ads.
- acdha 2y agoTim Cook seems to have done okay with what a bunch of tech pundits said was a risky move compared to sticking with Intel.
- talldayo 2y agoConsidering how Intel doesn't tend to hold grudge-matches with their customers, I seriously doubt there was any risk in the first place. If TSMC yields were too low to mass-produce Apple Silicon, they could easily ship out another copy-paste Macbook iteration with Magic Keyboard and nobody would care what chip it had inside. With the benefit of hindsight, it feels more like Intel and Apple were in a race to see who would outsource the Mac chip first. Since Apple already had the supply chain set up for the iPhone, cutting Intel out of the equation was mostly just a matter of designing an SOC. They took the opportunity, and now we're seeing Intel glumly admit that they too can be energy-efficient if they swallow their pride and pay TSMC.
- coliveira 2y agoThis was build by TSMC, that's why it was completed in a few years. They have the know-how.
- klyrs 2y agoWrong question. They'd still be buying Zeiss
- kylehotchkiss 2y agoBuild a workforce with the world's leading company. Pull those people into senior positions at new companies nearby. An industry is born and competition can grow. All with export limits so the jobs hopefully can't be outsourced.