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Perhaps because no other country goes to the same lengths to help its citizens abroad in times of trouble. When there's geopolitical trouble brewing, it not unc

Perhaps because no other country goes to the same lengths to help its citizens abroad in times of trouble. When there's geopolitical trouble brewing, it not uncommon for other nationalities to take advantage of American evacuations. Few countries come close the US in leveraging intelligence and logistics to help citizens; France is probably #2.

gopher_space 2y ago
Let’s suppose I travel for business and am not a teenager working through power fantasies. What’s in it for me if my concerns are not childish?
bwb 2y ago
You know the usa bills people for evacuating them right :)? https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/for-evacuated-citizens.html#:~:text=The%20Department%20enforces%20the%20law,for%20evacuation%20to%20different%20destinations https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-tra.... Also, read up on Americans stuck in Gaza with no way out.
- actionfromafar 2y ago
  "It limits the reimbursement to the cost of a reasonable commercial airfare."
  - bwb 2y ago
    How kind of them :)
    - actionfromafar 2y ago
      I just mentioned it because the real cost must be much, much higher in many cases, and I imagined being on the hook for a million dollars.
      - bwb 2y ago
        True, but it is kinda like paying for insurance and then when you need it you get a giant surprise bill. Although ironically much like the American health care insurance system which is much the same. Pay every month for “insurance”, and when you need it you also pay for it. Fun times.
        actionfromafar 2y ago
        I did come to think of how a US ambulance ride could be more costly than being evacuated...
        bwb 2y ago
        maybe we can get the Marines to start running ambulances regionally :) slap a turret on the ambulance and it can be training for the corpsmen
Symbiote 2y ago
This doesn't apply for the majority of Americans living abroad, in safe countries where the USA recognises the taxation. (The US is only extracting someone from the UK if they've killed a teenager while driving drunk.)
seszett 2y ago
> France is probably #2 I don't know what it's like for Americans living abroad but indeed, as a French citizen living abroad I do believe that France spends enough resources to justify taxing me (with guarantees against double taxation, and the various complications and edge cases it implies). As far as I know, American citizens can't really vote abroad (they have to be registered to a place inside the US and vote by correspondence, I think?) while we have voting booths in most countries where France has a consulate[0]. Since there are many French citizens where I live, there were 14 booths across this country for the last elections so you're probably never more than 50 kilometers from one (in addition to being able to vote through Internet). There were 23 of them in the US, 33 in Canada (20 of them in Montreal apparently), etc. That's a whole lot of effort for people who are voting for things that will not affect them directly and who don't pay taxes (even a token tax) for France, and it's great, and I think it's normal to devote efforts for all citizens wherever they are, but it means I couldn't honestly complain about reasonable taxation. [0]https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/JORFTEXT000049516393 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/JORFTEXT000049516393
- kergonath 2y ago
  > As far as I know, American citizens can't really vote abroad (they have to be registered to a place inside the US and vote by correspondence, I think?) while we have voting booths in most countries where France has a consulate[0]. French expats also have their own representatives to the National Assembly, on top of voting for national elections (mostly presidential and the occasional referendum). It’s like if there were representatives for Europe in the US congress.
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gopher_space 2y ago

Let’s suppose I travel for business and am not a teenager working through power fantasies. What’s in it for me if my concerns are not childish?

bwb 2y ago

You know the usa bills people for evacuating them right :)? https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/for-evacuated-citizens.html#:~:text=The%20Department%20enforces%20the%20law,for%20evacuation%20to%20different%20destinations https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-tra.... Also, read up on Americans stuck in Gaza with no way out.

actionfromafar 2y ago
"It limits the reimbursement to the cost of a reasonable commercial airfare."
- bwb 2y ago
  How kind of them :)
  - actionfromafar 2y ago
    I just mentioned it because the real cost must be much, much higher in many cases, and I imagined being on the hook for a million dollars.
    - bwb 2y ago
      True, but it is kinda like paying for insurance and then when you need it you get a giant surprise bill. Although ironically much like the American health care insurance system which is much the same. Pay every month for “insurance”, and when you need it you also pay for it. Fun times.
      - actionfromafar 2y ago
        I did come to think of how a US ambulance ride could be more costly than being evacuated...
        bwb 2y ago
        maybe we can get the Marines to start running ambulances regionally :) slap a turret on the ambulance and it can be training for the corpsmen

Symbiote 2y ago

This doesn't apply for the majority of Americans living abroad, in safe countries where the USA recognises the taxation. (The US is only extracting someone from the UK if they've killed a teenager while driving drunk.)

seszett 2y ago

> France is probably #2 I don't know what it's like for Americans living abroad but indeed, as a French citizen living abroad I do believe that France spends enough resources to justify taxing me (with guarantees against double taxation, and the various complications and edge cases it implies). As far as I know, American citizens can't really vote abroad (they have to be registered to a place inside the US and vote by correspondence, I think?) while we have voting booths in most countries where France has a consulate[0]. Since there are many French citizens where I live, there were 14 booths across this country for the last elections so you're probably never more than 50 kilometers from one (in addition to being able to vote through Internet). There were 23 of them in the US, 33 in Canada (20 of them in Montreal apparently), etc. That's a whole lot of effort for people who are voting for things that will not affect them directly and who don't pay taxes (even a token tax) for France, and it's great, and I think it's normal to devote efforts for all citizens wherever they are, but it means I couldn't honestly complain about reasonable taxation. [0]https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/JORFTEXT000049516393 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/JORFTEXT000049516393

kergonath 2y ago
> As far as I know, American citizens can't really vote abroad (they have to be registered to a place inside the US and vote by correspondence, I think?) while we have voting booths in most countries where France has a consulate[0]. French expats also have their own representatives to the National Assembly, on top of voting for national elections (mostly presidential and the occasional referendum). It’s like if there were representatives for Europe in the US congress.

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