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If you haven’t seen this talk[0], I think it covers in a fair shake the positives, negatives, and what even a post-systemd world would have to deal with. [0]:

If you haven’t seen this talk[0], I think it covers in a fair shake the positives, negatives, and what even a post-systemd world would have to deal with. [0]: https://youtu.be/o_AIw9bGogo https://youtu.be/o_AIw9bGogo

favorited 2y ago
It wouldn't surprise me if Benno Rice wrote that talk in response to this exact blog post – though there were enough posts in this same genre at the time, and he could have been responding to any/all of them.
inferiorhuman 2y ago
a fair shake Benno's entire argument is that Linux is the only operating system that matters and whatever problems systemd has are irrelevant. Everything else is obsolete. Especially when couched as "look at what this BSD guy thinks of systemd" it's a disingenuous argument. That talk is no more a fair shake than anything to come from Lennart's mouth.
- kemotep 2y ago
  I would think a BSD developer has a good idea of the challenges facing OS development and the implementation of an init system. I do not think it is charitable to them to say they think only Linux matters. If that’s the case why are they a FreeBSD developer?
  - inferiorhuman 2y ago
    Have you not watched the video then? There are a couple sections on why portability is not important because only Linux matters. Benno's words: The reality is UNIX is dead… these days I think you've basically got Linux and some rounding errors. So why is he a FreeBSD developer? Good question.
    - kemotep 2y ago
      Look, I use linux, OpenBSD, Apple and even Microsoft operating systems. I thought the video provided a unique perspective to the systemd discourse that I thought people would be interested in seeing if they hadn’t already. I couldn’t care less if Debian announced that Debian 13 is going to default to s6 or runit as the init system. I have no loyalty to systemd other than the Linux distros I use have integrated with it. The linked article introduced me to s6 which is interesting. I do think there is value in simpler codebases a la wireguard, toybox, and doas. None of the hostilities towards one init project over the other have ever made sense to me but “the battle” was mostly fought before I got into Linux.
      - inferiorhuman 2y ago
        What's unique about it? That Benno tosses out a reference to BSD here and there? Otherwise it's just a video of someone dismissing criticism out of hand. Could've gotten that from Lennart.

favorited 2y ago

It wouldn't surprise me if Benno Rice wrote that talk in response to this exact blog post – though there were enough posts in this same genre at the time, and he could have been responding to any/all of them.

inferiorhuman 2y ago

a fair shake Benno's entire argument is that Linux is the only operating system that matters and whatever problems systemd has are irrelevant. Everything else is obsolete. Especially when couched as "look at what this BSD guy thinks of systemd" it's a disingenuous argument. That talk is no more a fair shake than anything to come from Lennart's mouth.

kemotep 2y ago
I would think a BSD developer has a good idea of the challenges facing OS development and the implementation of an init system. I do not think it is charitable to them to say they think only Linux matters. If that’s the case why are they a FreeBSD developer?
- inferiorhuman 2y ago
  Have you not watched the video then? There are a couple sections on why portability is not important because only Linux matters. Benno's words: The reality is UNIX is dead… these days I think you've basically got Linux and some rounding errors. So why is he a FreeBSD developer? Good question.
  - kemotep 2y ago
    Look, I use linux, OpenBSD, Apple and even Microsoft operating systems. I thought the video provided a unique perspective to the systemd discourse that I thought people would be interested in seeing if they hadn’t already. I couldn’t care less if Debian announced that Debian 13 is going to default to s6 or runit as the init system. I have no loyalty to systemd other than the Linux distros I use have integrated with it. The linked article introduced me to s6 which is interesting. I do think there is value in simpler codebases a la wireguard, toybox, and doas. None of the hostilities towards one init project over the other have ever made sense to me but “the battle” was mostly fought before I got into Linux.
    - inferiorhuman 2y ago
      What's unique about it? That Benno tosses out a reference to BSD here and there? Otherwise it's just a video of someone dismissing criticism out of hand. Could've gotten that from Lennart.