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> US/EU/Israel isn't perfect, but pretty much as good as it gets. I imagine China is just as good in pretty much every way.
by darby_nine 2y ago
> US/EU/Israel isn't perfect, but pretty much as good as it gets.
I imagine China is just as good in pretty much every way.
- nozzlegear 2y agoCan you expand? What makes you think that?
- bbqfog 2y agoHas China ever blown up thousands of pagers in someone else's country?
- sbarre 2y agoNo but they run "re-education" internment camps for their own people (estimated up to 1.8M people) in their own country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps
- antimemetics 2y agoWhile I don’t agree with GP, this is a weak argument > The United States leads the world in total number of people incarcerated, with more than 2 million prisoners nationwide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_...
- nozzlegear 2y agoIt's disingenuous to compare prisons with internment camps.
- immibis 2y agoWhy?
- kortilla 2y agoBecause you go to prison for breaking the law
- Prbeek 2y agoFun fact. There are more people in US prisons than there ever were in Soviet gulags
- nozzlegear 2y agoAn interesting fact, though perhaps completely irrelevant since people were sent to the gulags for completely different reasons. Fun fact. There are more people in the US education system than there ever were in Soviet gulags. Just as irrelevant.
- master_crab 2y agoOr because you’re black.
- account42 2y agoThis doesn't really mean much when those laws include "you're not allowed to expose crimes by government" not to mention drug laws and copyright. At the end it's not any less arbitrary than whatever excuses the chinese government uses to intern those they don't like.
- kortilla 2y agoThe laws are known a priori. There are also no laws against exposing crimes by the government. You’re just not allowed to break other laws just because you’re doing so. People very frequently successfully expose corruption and abuse by governments in the US. It just doesn’t make significant news unless it’s a major national politician, and that happens multiple times a year.
- Cthulhu_ 2y agoNot just re-education, genocide: https://newlinesinstitute.org/rules-based-international-order/genocide/the-uyghur-genocide-an-examination-of-chinas-breaches-of-the-1948-genocide-convention/ https://newlinesinstitute.org/rules-based-international-orde... (link goes to the source report instead of editorialized versions)
- longone 2y agoNo. But does China have a horrible record on human rights and abuses? Yes. Have they been ethnically cleansing the Uyghur population for years now? Yes. Not to mention bullying and threatening all neighbors across the region. Just read about the recent worries over ZMPC cranes. The CCP will and has infiltrated private companies as a vector to spy on other countries. Maybe they haven't blown up pagers like this, but they've done other things that should make anyone skeptical of buying sensitive equipment from them.
- Sawamara 2y agoOh wow, a country BULLYING its neighbors. Imagine a country doing that. Luckily, the US never does something like that. Or imposes sanctions on a country half a world away, sanctions which the entire world has to adhere to unless they want to lose US trading all together. Some of these talking points fall apart upon typing them, let alone posting.
- ruraljuror 2y agoThat is a bizarre standard but I would argue China’s fueling the US’s fentanyl crisis is far worse.
- nozzlegear 2y agoI don't think so, but neither have the US or EU to my recollection.
- _DeadFred_ 2y agoHow does a Bay Area tech site, when Bay Area tech has sooo many individuals who originally came to the USA as students but then couldn't go home due to tiananmen, have this kind of 'enlightened thought' on China, day in and day out?
- bushbaba 2y agoIt’s called propaganda of which HN isn’t immune to
- talldayo 2y agoLook - I agree. But at the same time, I've seen what the Bay Area puts out, and their product designers are more concerned with designing the next cigarette than improving anyone's life or ensuring domestic security. The US is currently relying on contractors that are asleep at the wheel. Plainly speaking, China already took our iPhone manufacturing and our electric car business. They've got the chops, the supply chain and the export network to keep doing that for everything from the JSOW to the Harpoon missile. Unless the US makes a serious effort to invest in domestic R&D, our Bay Area vanguards are going to spend more time jerking off than participating in a healthy defense business.
- miles 2y ago> China already took our iPhone manufacturing It may well be coming back over time; from 4 hours ago: Apple Mobile Processors Are Now Made in America. By TSMC. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41574844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41574844
- mensetmanusman 2y agoUnless you are a slave there, or from Tibet, or say anything wrong.