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> Hinting at some kind of symmetry here seems weird. Both sides (Israeli state, and Hezbollah) want to destroy each other. It's a simple symmetry. Conflating t

> Hinting at some kind of symmetry here seems weird. Both sides (Israeli state, and Hezbollah) want to destroy each other. It's a simple symmetry. Conflating the military force with the territory and civilians living on it only obfuscates this.

yoavm 2y ago
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- pphysch 2y ago
  Sorry, I can't take you seriously when you equate a clearly defined military-political organization ("Hezbollah") with a broad ethnoreligious group ("Jews"). That's totally absurd and borders on Holocaust denial.
  - yoavm 2y ago
    This is the first time ever someone blames me for Holocaust denial [0], but I'll give you another example then. If someone breaks into your house and tries to kill you, you might want to kill them too, but it's a little funny to say that there's symmetry there because "both want to kill each other!". [0] to remove any doubt, I am not. I'm not sure how you got there, but I would insane to deny an event the took the lives of many from my family.
    - pphysch 2y ago
      > If someone breaks into your house and tries to kill you, you might want to kill them too, but it's a little funny to say that there's symmetry Remind me, between Lebanon or Hezbollah and Israel, which entity is currently occupying significant territories outside its UN-mandated borders?
      - nick_ 2y ago
        Lol shh, that much context isn't part of the narrative.
luckylion 2y ago
> Both sides (Israeli state, and Hezbollah) want to destroy each other. Have Hezbollah lay down their arms and convert their organization to peaceful gardeners and Israel has no interest in destroying them. Have Israel lay down their arms and focus on peaceful gardening and few Israeli Jews will survive. Such Symmetry. Enlightened Reddit really is something else.
- someotherperson 2y ago
  > Have Israel lay down their arms and focus on peaceful gardening and few Israeli Jews will survive. That's because the entire notion of Israel as a concept is predicated on it being under constant existential threats. If Hezbollah goes away, then nothing changes in Lebanon: Lebanese identity isn't based on armed resistance. Israeli identity, however, has nothing else going for it besides armed conflict. If conflicts were to go away, so would Israel. Israeli Jews would just be absorbed into whatever local culture they're in, just as they were prior to the formation of Israel (and just like they are outside of Israel). The remaining ones would be the ones engaging in armed conflict -- just as the original groups like Irgun and Lehi were.
  - yoavm 2y ago
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    - someotherperson 2y ago
      An ethno-nationalist state becoming more secular and less extremist? I'm intrigued. Do you believe that the settlements would stop and that Palestinians would be given Israeli citizenship? Would the Palestinians forced out of Israel be allowed to return in this case? Or is this secular, less extremist, conflict-free Israel predicated on Israel continuing to be majority Jewish and with a Jewish government? Edit for your edit: no, nothing to do with Jews. South + North Korea, Taiwan, Ukraine, Singapore, the baltic countries (Estonia etc). Various Arab countries too. In Israel's case the population are made of diaspora which multiplies the effect.

yoavm 2y ago

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pphysch 2y ago
Sorry, I can't take you seriously when you equate a clearly defined military-political organization ("Hezbollah") with a broad ethnoreligious group ("Jews"). That's totally absurd and borders on Holocaust denial.
- yoavm 2y ago
  This is the first time ever someone blames me for Holocaust denial [0], but I'll give you another example then. If someone breaks into your house and tries to kill you, you might want to kill them too, but it's a little funny to say that there's symmetry there because "both want to kill each other!". [0] to remove any doubt, I am not. I'm not sure how you got there, but I would insane to deny an event the took the lives of many from my family.
  - pphysch 2y ago
    > If someone breaks into your house and tries to kill you, you might want to kill them too, but it's a little funny to say that there's symmetry Remind me, between Lebanon or Hezbollah and Israel, which entity is currently occupying significant territories outside its UN-mandated borders?
    - nick_ 2y ago
      Lol shh, that much context isn't part of the narrative.

luckylion 2y ago

> Both sides (Israeli state, and Hezbollah) want to destroy each other. Have Hezbollah lay down their arms and convert their organization to peaceful gardeners and Israel has no interest in destroying them. Have Israel lay down their arms and focus on peaceful gardening and few Israeli Jews will survive. Such Symmetry. Enlightened Reddit really is something else.

someotherperson 2y ago
> Have Israel lay down their arms and focus on peaceful gardening and few Israeli Jews will survive. That's because the entire notion of Israel as a concept is predicated on it being under constant existential threats. If Hezbollah goes away, then nothing changes in Lebanon: Lebanese identity isn't based on armed resistance. Israeli identity, however, has nothing else going for it besides armed conflict. If conflicts were to go away, so would Israel. Israeli Jews would just be absorbed into whatever local culture they're in, just as they were prior to the formation of Israel (and just like they are outside of Israel). The remaining ones would be the ones engaging in armed conflict -- just as the original groups like Irgun and Lehi were.
- yoavm 2y ago
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  - someotherperson 2y ago
    An ethno-nationalist state becoming more secular and less extremist? I'm intrigued. Do you believe that the settlements would stop and that Palestinians would be given Israeli citizenship? Would the Palestinians forced out of Israel be allowed to return in this case? Or is this secular, less extremist, conflict-free Israel predicated on Israel continuing to be majority Jewish and with a Jewish government? Edit for your edit: no, nothing to do with Jews. South + North Korea, Taiwan, Ukraine, Singapore, the baltic countries (Estonia etc). Various Arab countries too. In Israel's case the population are made of diaspora which multiplies the effect.