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RTO is about protecting commercial real estate. It has nothing to do with productivity. I say this as someone who is leaving a fully remote role for an in offi

RTO is about protecting commercial real estate. It has nothing to do with productivity. I say this as someone who is leaving a fully remote role for an in office one. Remote workers do a lot of work for which they don't get the visibility and therefore credit.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago
> RTO is about protecting commercial real estate. It has nothing to do with productivity. I keep seeing this claim. Over and over and over. I don't see any evidence, though. All is see is "because of course it is", with a side order of conspiracy ("them" are doing it - sometimes more explicit, "the administration"). So in your claim, you say you're someone who is leaving a full remote role for an in-office one. You don't say that you know anything about commercial real estate. You don't say that you have any evidence. You don't hear that you caught one of the higher-ups admitting that this is the reason. No, your basis for knowing is just that it's happening to you. That's not enough. That's not evidence; it's conjecture. And that's all I ever see on this claim. Why am I seeing this claim so often when there's nothing to back it up? Is the conspiracy theory that prevalent? Or is it just a few people endlessly repeating the same claim, because that's their particular hobby horse? I guess this sounds fairly harsh. But this is about the 4th time I've seen this claim today, always as if "of course it's true", always with no evidence, and it's getting annoying. My instinct (yes, I also do not have actual evidence) is that the people making these decisions and the people who actually own commercial real estate are different people, with different interests. They aren't some monolithic "they". I could actually be persuaded, but it's going to take more than repetition and "of course it's true" to do it.
- shahbaby 2y ago
  There are many businesses that depend on foot traffic of office workers. There are also many land leeches that need bodies in office. There may not be an explicit agreement where RTO earns a tax break but it certainly gives a company more leverage in negotiations with local government and businesses. This to me is obvious. What's not obvious is how it increases productivity to force people into an office.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    Well, this is better than most of the comments on the subject. You actually propose a mechanism - tax breaks, maybe with a wink and a "you know what we want". It could happen just that way. Now, do you have any evidence that it actually is happening this way? Because, while you have motive, and a plausible mechanism, you still haven't shown any evidence that the crime actually happened this way.
zooq_ai 2y ago
Anyone who uses this line of argument is one of the clueless person about everything. I'd fire them first
- shahbaby 2y ago
  Sounds like you'd be doing them a favour

AnimalMuppet 2y ago

> RTO is about protecting commercial real estate. It has nothing to do with productivity. I keep seeing this claim. Over and over and over. I don't see any evidence, though. All is see is "because of course it is", with a side order of conspiracy ("them" are doing it - sometimes more explicit, "the administration"). So in your claim, you say you're someone who is leaving a full remote role for an in-office one. You don't say that you know anything about commercial real estate. You don't say that you have any evidence. You don't hear that you caught one of the higher-ups admitting that this is the reason. No, your basis for knowing is just that it's happening to you. That's not enough. That's not evidence; it's conjecture. And that's all I ever see on this claim. Why am I seeing this claim so often when there's nothing to back it up? Is the conspiracy theory that prevalent? Or is it just a few people endlessly repeating the same claim, because that's their particular hobby horse? I guess this sounds fairly harsh. But this is about the 4th time I've seen this claim today, always as if "of course it's true", always with no evidence, and it's getting annoying. My instinct (yes, I also do not have actual evidence) is that the people making these decisions and the people who actually own commercial real estate are different people, with different interests. They aren't some monolithic "they". I could actually be persuaded, but it's going to take more than repetition and "of course it's true" to do it.

shahbaby 2y ago
There are many businesses that depend on foot traffic of office workers. There are also many land leeches that need bodies in office. There may not be an explicit agreement where RTO earns a tax break but it certainly gives a company more leverage in negotiations with local government and businesses. This to me is obvious. What's not obvious is how it increases productivity to force people into an office.
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  Well, this is better than most of the comments on the subject. You actually propose a mechanism - tax breaks, maybe with a wink and a "you know what we want". It could happen just that way. Now, do you have any evidence that it actually is happening this way? Because, while you have motive, and a plausible mechanism, you still haven't shown any evidence that the crime actually happened this way.

zooq_ai 2y ago

Anyone who uses this line of argument is one of the clueless person about everything. I'd fire them first

shahbaby 2y ago
Sounds like you'd be doing them a favour