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> If you were carrying the device you're either Hezbollah, or cooperating with them - which makes you a legitimate military target. Or you were standing in li

by koolba 2y ago

> If you were carrying the device you're either Hezbollah, or cooperating with them - which makes you a legitimate military target. Or you were standing in line next to a guy holding one while waiting to buy groceries. It’s clearly indiscriminate to the collateral damage.

csmpltn 2y ago
But we already have videos of people standing in very close proximity to the devices being detonated - and not getting hurt. In-fact, many of the people carrying the device in their pockets ended up not sustaining life-threatening injuries. I'm not saying civilians weren't hurt by this. But I'm also saying that no war has 0% civilian casualties. Those two countries are at war with each other.
s1artibartfast 2y ago
If they were truly indiscriminate and and indifferent to collateral damage, there are far easier and more effective ways to kill a few dozen people in Lebanon. The whole complex and contrived attack speaks of tying to minimize collateral damage.
eastbound 2y ago
I like your lack of proportions. This war is about Hezbollah and Hamas shelling civilians in Israel. Like hundreds of rockets per night. If, to stop that, it may harm a few civilians who are waiting next to Hezbollah members, …you would let people keep shelling civilians by hundreds and hundreds of rockets? How do you choose your actions, do you always support the guys who cause the maximum deaths? How does it work, “indiscriminate damage” is as soon as a person is inconvenienced while they were holding Hezbollah’s grocery bags? Shouldn’t they … distance themselves? Pun unintended. But it’s a very good question. Shouldn’t they distance themselves from active murderers?
- beaglesss 2y ago
  This won't do anything meaningful to reduce civilian deaths. Less than 0.1% of Lebanon injured, and 10x that number now even more enraged. Not meaningfully repeatable either, won't create significant attrition Stoking the flames of death is all.
  - csmpltn 2y ago
    This sends a message to Hezbollah and Lebanon. "Last chance to turn around". After 12 months of back-and-forth, and all attempts at diplomacy failing. Beirut can end up just like Gaza, but Israel has been restraining itself. Not for much longer.
    - tmnvix 2y ago
      > Israel has been restraining itself. Not for much longer. If this is what a restrained Israel looks like, the god help us all.
    - drawkward 2y ago
      Gaza is not restraint. This pager operation proves that. Gaza is genocide.
      - eastbound 2y ago
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        ignoramous 2y ago
        > Therefore, not a single civilian was killed in Gaza. Same energy: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-quot-the-jews-are-guilty-quot https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-quot-th... > they followed the hate path Mirror mirror on the wall.
  - ineedasername 2y ago
    The massive disruption of Hezbollah's communication network may cripple them enough to shorten the duration of the conflict, and possibly help turn public sentiment from Lebonese civilians into pressure to find a way to end things. The civilians are the people who on average do not feel strongly enough to fight, and may have large number pissed that a group-- even if they believe in its cause-- has brought violence to their communities through a surprise attack against a more powerful enemy. More than half of the Lebonese population believe there is no military solution to the overall dispute: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/shadow-hezbollah-israel-escalation-poll-shows-slim-majority-lebanese-still-want https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/shadow-h...
- koolba 2y ago
  > …you would let people keep shelling civilians by hundreds and hundreds of rockets? I said no such thing though do find it interesting that any questioning of the methods used by one party is interpreted as blanket acceptance of all methods used by the other. > Pun unintended. But it’s a very good question. Shouldn’t they distance themselves from active murderers? How could they possibly know? I’ve never been in line for a sandwich and thought to ask if the person in front of me might spontaneously explode.

by koolba 2y ago

csmpltn 2y ago

But we already have videos of people standing in very close proximity to the devices being detonated - and not getting hurt. In-fact, many of the people carrying the device in their pockets ended up not sustaining life-threatening injuries. I'm not saying civilians weren't hurt by this. But I'm also saying that no war has 0% civilian casualties. Those two countries are at war with each other.

s1artibartfast 2y ago

If they were truly indiscriminate and and indifferent to collateral damage, there are far easier and more effective ways to kill a few dozen people in Lebanon. The whole complex and contrived attack speaks of tying to minimize collateral damage.

eastbound 2y ago

I like your lack of proportions. This war is about Hezbollah and Hamas shelling civilians in Israel. Like hundreds of rockets per night. If, to stop that, it may harm a few civilians who are waiting next to Hezbollah members, …you would let people keep shelling civilians by hundreds and hundreds of rockets? How do you choose your actions, do you always support the guys who cause the maximum deaths? How does it work, “indiscriminate damage” is as soon as a person is inconvenienced while they were holding Hezbollah’s grocery bags? Shouldn’t they … distance themselves? Pun unintended. But it’s a very good question. Shouldn’t they distance themselves from active murderers?

beaglesss 2y ago
This won't do anything meaningful to reduce civilian deaths. Less than 0.1% of Lebanon injured, and 10x that number now even more enraged. Not meaningfully repeatable either, won't create significant attrition Stoking the flames of death is all.
- csmpltn 2y ago
  This sends a message to Hezbollah and Lebanon. "Last chance to turn around". After 12 months of back-and-forth, and all attempts at diplomacy failing. Beirut can end up just like Gaza, but Israel has been restraining itself. Not for much longer.
  - tmnvix 2y ago
    > Israel has been restraining itself. Not for much longer. If this is what a restrained Israel looks like, the god help us all.
  - drawkward 2y ago
    Gaza is not restraint. This pager operation proves that. Gaza is genocide.
    - eastbound 2y ago
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      - ignoramous 2y ago
        > Therefore, not a single civilian was killed in Gaza. Same energy: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-quot-the-jews-are-guilty-quot https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-quot-th... > they followed the hate path Mirror mirror on the wall.
- ineedasername 2y ago
  The massive disruption of Hezbollah's communication network may cripple them enough to shorten the duration of the conflict, and possibly help turn public sentiment from Lebonese civilians into pressure to find a way to end things. The civilians are the people who on average do not feel strongly enough to fight, and may have large number pissed that a group-- even if they believe in its cause-- has brought violence to their communities through a surprise attack against a more powerful enemy. More than half of the Lebonese population believe there is no military solution to the overall dispute: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/shadow-hezbollah-israel-escalation-poll-shows-slim-majority-lebanese-still-want https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/shadow-h...
koolba 2y ago
> …you would let people keep shelling civilians by hundreds and hundreds of rockets? I said no such thing though do find it interesting that any questioning of the methods used by one party is interpreted as blanket acceptance of all methods used by the other. > Pun unintended. But it’s a very good question. Shouldn’t they distance themselves from active murderers? How could they possibly know? I’ve never been in line for a sandwich and thought to ask if the person in front of me might spontaneously explode.