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Amir Tsarfati on Telegram: The updated numbers: 4000 wounded of which 400 in critical conditions Al Jazeera from a Lebanese security source: The pagers were

Amir Tsarfati on Telegram: The updated numbers: 4000 wounded of which 400 in critical conditions Al Jazeera from a Lebanese security source: The pagers were brought to Lebanon 5 months ago. They were boobytrapped in advance. Each device contained an explosive weighing no more than 20 grams.

AustinDev 2y ago
20 grams that's wild. You could only produce these kinds of effects from a 'military grade' explosive like CL-20 or similar.
- beezle 2y ago
  per a calculator on unsaferguard.org 20g of RDX Injury/Fatality to Personnel Range (m) Fatal Distance 0.64 Lung Damage 1.02 Eardrum Rupture 2.63
  - Eduard 2y ago
    So apparently, it must be less than 20 g of RDX, and/or a weaker explosive: if the fatal distance was within 0.64 meters, there would be significantly more reported deaths.
    - dredmorbius 2y ago
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- chemeril 2y ago
  20 grams of C4 or similar plastic explosive would be more than adequate to produce the effects seen. CL-20 wouldn't be a good choice for this deployment: it's not particularly stable for rough handling even with a good phlegmatizing blend, and tends to decompose at the temps one would expect a pager to be exposed to (hot car, etc).
  - AustinDev 2y ago
    That's a fair point my knowledge of explosive chemicals only stems from conventional missile-based warheads and propellants. It's very possible a different explosive was used.
  - cromka 2y ago
    C4 would be easily detectable by spectrometers, including at the airports, wouldn’t it?
- Vicinity9635 2y ago
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beezle 2y ago
And given where pagers are typically kept, future pro-creation of many wounded will be in doubt.
sixQuarks 2y ago
Isn’t this a war crime?
- oytis 2y ago
  Why would it be?
  - delecti 2y ago
    Booby traps and indiscriminate targeting.
    - oytis 2y ago
      It's not indiscriminate, they were targeting Hezbollah members as precisely as hardly any conventional weapon would be able to.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      Hardly seems like a boobytrap. Furthermore, Boobytraps are only a war crime if they target civilians, inflict unnecessary suffering, or are placed in unsavory locations like the trapping of wounded soldiers or medical supplies.
    - Cody-99 2y ago
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    - sethammons 2y ago
      Bobby traps are triggered by the target; these were remotely triggered. These were highly targeted to group members.
      - sixQuarks 2y ago
        Highly targeted? 2 children were killed
Sakos 2y ago
Who exactly is Amir Tsarfati and why is this a trusted source for numbers? I can't find anything reliable about him by search engine.

AustinDev 2y ago

20 grams that's wild. You could only produce these kinds of effects from a 'military grade' explosive like CL-20 or similar.

beezle 2y ago
per a calculator on unsaferguard.org 20g of RDX Injury/Fatality to Personnel Range (m) Fatal Distance 0.64 Lung Damage 1.02 Eardrum Rupture 2.63
- Eduard 2y ago
  So apparently, it must be less than 20 g of RDX, and/or a weaker explosive: if the fatal distance was within 0.64 meters, there would be significantly more reported deaths.
  - dredmorbius 2y ago
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- dredmorbius 2y ago
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chemeril 2y ago
20 grams of C4 or similar plastic explosive would be more than adequate to produce the effects seen. CL-20 wouldn't be a good choice for this deployment: it's not particularly stable for rough handling even with a good phlegmatizing blend, and tends to decompose at the temps one would expect a pager to be exposed to (hot car, etc).
- AustinDev 2y ago
  That's a fair point my knowledge of explosive chemicals only stems from conventional missile-based warheads and propellants. It's very possible a different explosive was used.
- cromka 2y ago
  C4 would be easily detectable by spectrometers, including at the airports, wouldn’t it?
Vicinity9635 2y ago
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beezle 2y ago

And given where pagers are typically kept, future pro-creation of many wounded will be in doubt.

sixQuarks 2y ago

Isn’t this a war crime?

oytis 2y ago
Why would it be?
- delecti 2y ago
  Booby traps and indiscriminate targeting.
  - oytis 2y ago
    It's not indiscriminate, they were targeting Hezbollah members as precisely as hardly any conventional weapon would be able to.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    Hardly seems like a boobytrap. Furthermore, Boobytraps are only a war crime if they target civilians, inflict unnecessary suffering, or are placed in unsavory locations like the trapping of wounded soldiers or medical supplies.
  - Cody-99 2y ago
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  - sethammons 2y ago
    Bobby traps are triggered by the target; these were remotely triggered. These were highly targeted to group members.
    - sixQuarks 2y ago
      Highly targeted? 2 children were killed

Sakos 2y ago

Who exactly is Amir Tsarfati and why is this a trusted source for numbers? I can't find anything reliable about him by search engine.