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Lebanon has been shooting rockets at Israel for a while now. They already are at war. It's just Israel is very strategic about its steps.

bhouston 2y ago
> Lebanon has been shooting rockets at Israel for a while now. Correction: Israel and Lebanon have been firing across the border for a while. More Israeli attacks on Lebanon than the other way around and more Lebanese dead too. Details: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/27/mapping-7400-cross-border-attacks-between-israel-and-lebanon https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/27/mapping-7400-cross-... https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/bfa9/live/320f2410-4509-11ef-96a8-e710c6bfc866.png.webp https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/bfa9/live/320f24... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv2gj544x65o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv2gj544x65o And lots more details here: "Between 21 October 2023 and 20 February 2024 the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) recorded an estimated 7,948 incidents of artillery fire from the south of the Blue Line (from Israel to Lebanon) and 978 incidents of artillery fire from the north side (from Lebanon to Israel)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Hezbollah_conflict_(2023–present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Hezbollah_conflict_(202...
- bufferoverflow 2y ago
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  - bhouston 2y ago
    > Citing openly anti-israeli sources like BBC and Al-Jazeera is not a way to prove your point. Are you saying that their numbers are incorrect? If so share another link you trust more.
    - bufferoverflow 2y ago
      Attacks or responses to attacks? You seem to conflate them.
      - bhouston 2y ago
        > Attacks or responses to attacks? Oh come on. I didn't say one side was retaliation and the other aggression. You are saying that. I said there were attacks on both sides. Whether one attack is raw aggression or defensive retaliation is very much in the eye of the beholder.
      - yieldcrv 2y ago
        is it embarrassing when your peers are getting paid to post and you aren’t I find that concept fascinating and wonder how genuine opinions are on these topics and how that feels to actually harbor opinions that rely on moral superiority, something that the rest of us don’t feel is a useful or relevant distinction for any sovereign in that region
  - smokracek 2y ago
    If the BBC is an anti-Israeli source, it sounds like you'll only accept very pro-Israel sources as true.
    - jazzyjackson 2y ago
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    - bufferoverflow 2y ago
      No. BBC is quite far-left. And far-left is almost 100% anti-Israel. If you don't think BBC is far-left, count the articles with right-wing perspectives and left-wing perspectives.
      - papiomytoglou 2y ago
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        Sakos 2y ago
        The BBC's bias has been clearly established for decades now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC#Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC#Israeli%E... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balen_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balen_Report It's not their fault that you're uninformed and refuse to see it.
- cubefox 2y ago
  The question is who started shooting rockets at the territory of the other. I would be surprised if it was Israel.
  - bhouston 2y ago
    > The question is who started shooting rockets at the territory of the other. I think you can always go back further. A good overview is this article on the history of Hezbollah-Israel conflict, with links to the various flare-ups: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah–Israel_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah–Israel_conflict
    - snird 2y ago
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    - tptacek 2y ago
      What makes sense is going back to the last durable cessation of hostilities, not tracing every event back to the Battle of Jericho.
  - einszwei 2y ago
    The answer isn't straight forward. 1980s invasion of Lebanon by Israel and it's withdrawal in 2000 was what made Hezbollah into the force that it is today. The conflict has been simmering for decades
    - mupuff1234 2y ago
      I think the answer is fairly straightforward if you limit it to the current round in the conflict Not to mention that Israel is no longer in Lebanon and Hezbollah can just stop firing rockets and the situation will go back to relative peace. So sure the history is complicated, but current events are fairly straightfoward, you had relatively peaceful status que until Hezbollah broke it.
      - nick_ 2y ago
- grumple 2y ago
  Artillery != rockets. And importantly artillery from Israel is much more targeted and predictable than unguided rockets. Hezbollah has launched about 14k rockets as of late June: https://www.newsweek.com/chart-shows-increae-hezbollah-rockets-israel-gaza-hamas-war-1931959 https://www.newsweek.com/chart-shows-increae-hezbollah-rocke... Just on its face, with Hezbollah launching sometimes hundreds of rockets per day, didn’t you suspect what you posted was misleading?
- ineedasername 2y ago
  Per that wikipedia entry this current conflict began with an attack on Israel. Hezbollah attacked a much more powerful enemy so a statement that stops at "they've both been doing it" does not accurately capture the casus belli: "Israel and <strikethrough>Lebanon</strikethrough> Hezbollah have been firing across the border since an October 8th strike against Israel in 2023..." etc. That is a more complete & accurate description.
- itaysk 2y ago
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bhouston 2y ago

> Lebanon has been shooting rockets at Israel for a while now. Correction: Israel and Lebanon have been firing across the border for a while. More Israeli attacks on Lebanon than the other way around and more Lebanese dead too. Details: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/27/mapping-7400-cross-border-attacks-between-israel-and-lebanon https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/27/mapping-7400-cross-... https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/bfa9/live/320f2410-4509-11ef-96a8-e710c6bfc866.png.webp https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/bfa9/live/320f24... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv2gj544x65o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv2gj544x65o And lots more details here: "Between 21 October 2023 and 20 February 2024 the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) recorded an estimated 7,948 incidents of artillery fire from the south of the Blue Line (from Israel to Lebanon) and 978 incidents of artillery fire from the north side (from Lebanon to Israel)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Hezbollah_conflict_(2023–present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Hezbollah_conflict_(202...

bufferoverflow 2y ago
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- bhouston 2y ago
  > Citing openly anti-israeli sources like BBC and Al-Jazeera is not a way to prove your point. Are you saying that their numbers are incorrect? If so share another link you trust more.
  - bufferoverflow 2y ago
    Attacks or responses to attacks? You seem to conflate them.
    - bhouston 2y ago
      > Attacks or responses to attacks? Oh come on. I didn't say one side was retaliation and the other aggression. You are saying that. I said there were attacks on both sides. Whether one attack is raw aggression or defensive retaliation is very much in the eye of the beholder.
    - yieldcrv 2y ago
      is it embarrassing when your peers are getting paid to post and you aren’t I find that concept fascinating and wonder how genuine opinions are on these topics and how that feels to actually harbor opinions that rely on moral superiority, something that the rest of us don’t feel is a useful or relevant distinction for any sovereign in that region
- smokracek 2y ago
  If the BBC is an anti-Israeli source, it sounds like you'll only accept very pro-Israel sources as true.
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
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  - bufferoverflow 2y ago
    No. BBC is quite far-left. And far-left is almost 100% anti-Israel. If you don't think BBC is far-left, count the articles with right-wing perspectives and left-wing perspectives.
    - papiomytoglou 2y ago
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      - Sakos 2y ago
        The BBC's bias has been clearly established for decades now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC#Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC#Israeli%E... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balen_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balen_Report It's not their fault that you're uninformed and refuse to see it.
cubefox 2y ago
The question is who started shooting rockets at the territory of the other. I would be surprised if it was Israel.
- bhouston 2y ago
  > The question is who started shooting rockets at the territory of the other. I think you can always go back further. A good overview is this article on the history of Hezbollah-Israel conflict, with links to the various flare-ups: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah–Israel_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah–Israel_conflict
  - snird 2y ago
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  - tptacek 2y ago
    What makes sense is going back to the last durable cessation of hostilities, not tracing every event back to the Battle of Jericho.
- einszwei 2y ago
  The answer isn't straight forward. 1980s invasion of Lebanon by Israel and it's withdrawal in 2000 was what made Hezbollah into the force that it is today. The conflict has been simmering for decades
  - mupuff1234 2y ago
    I think the answer is fairly straightforward if you limit it to the current round in the conflict Not to mention that Israel is no longer in Lebanon and Hezbollah can just stop firing rockets and the situation will go back to relative peace. So sure the history is complicated, but current events are fairly straightfoward, you had relatively peaceful status que until Hezbollah broke it.
    - nick_ 2y ago
grumple 2y ago
Artillery != rockets. And importantly artillery from Israel is much more targeted and predictable than unguided rockets. Hezbollah has launched about 14k rockets as of late June: https://www.newsweek.com/chart-shows-increae-hezbollah-rockets-israel-gaza-hamas-war-1931959 https://www.newsweek.com/chart-shows-increae-hezbollah-rocke... Just on its face, with Hezbollah launching sometimes hundreds of rockets per day, didn’t you suspect what you posted was misleading?
ineedasername 2y ago
Per that wikipedia entry this current conflict began with an attack on Israel. Hezbollah attacked a much more powerful enemy so a statement that stops at "they've both been doing it" does not accurately capture the casus belli: "Israel and <strikethrough>Lebanon</strikethrough> Hezbollah have been firing across the border since an October 8th strike against Israel in 2023..." etc. That is a more complete & accurate description.
itaysk 2y ago
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