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Do you need a tool to tell you that the cloud is more expensive? Do you need a tool to tell you that your company underpays or is bad at recruiting? Or maybe t
by doctorpangloss 2y ago
Do you need a tool to tell you that the cloud is more expensive?
Do you need a tool to tell you that your company underpays or is bad at recruiting? Or maybe that you do something boring that people don't want to work for?
IMO Keda is the more important product in this space, because it translates business requirements like max queue wait time into compute resources.
If you are operating in a way where small cost differences decide if you are break even if you have already failed, no amount of "FinOps" will stop your trend from going to zero. It is delaying the inevitable.
- athorax 2y agoOne of the main value adds of these tools is to help identify and categorize workloads into OpEx and CapEx buckets
- doctorpangloss 2y agoUnless you are currently in possession of a bunch of latest generation NVIDIA DGX, which many people are, 99% of your workloads are OpEx. They might be CapEx in some imaginary, nonactionable accounting sense. Like maybe you are mislabeling exclusive rights to dig holes in some neighborhoods as telecommunications equipment capital expenditures. Just pay an accountant to make up stories for you. You don't need the tool.
- JackSlateur 2y agoI've built many projects where "the cloud" is less expensive than the alternatives The last big one: replacing a backbone country-wide network in France with AWS It is far less expensive due to the low bandwidth requirements (and also the ability to go full managed services)
- doctorpangloss 2y agoWhat stops AWS from "increasing the price" until it is very close to what you were paying before, if not more?
- JackSlateur 2y agoNothing, and they do that regurarly What stops dark fibers or hardware providers from "increasing the price" ? Nothing, and they do that too
- doctorpangloss 2y agoSo you're proving my point. The tool cannot tell you the single most important factor in pricing.
- Spivak 2y agoThe single most important factor in pricing is accurately predicting the future, as we haven't invented time travel yet we're gonna call that a wash. Here's a tool that measures everything else.
- doctorpangloss 2y agoYep! You are agreeing with me. The tool measures a bunch of noise, essentially, since it cannot predict Amazon’s pricing roadmap. Whereas the Kubernetes ecosystem has plenty of valid forecasting tools, such as one which forecasts compute usage, that are valuable.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 2y agoTo that point, I believe it's possible to buy spend futures now in cloud costs and if you're doing that then technically it is possible to predict Amazon's pricing roadmap. I know for sure if Amazon themselves didn't (they do) third parties would (they do, DoIT is an example of one I know that does this but there are quite a few of these compute resellers out there). But sometimes people are not near enough the spend or product support level where it makes sense to do that. I would gander, though, if you're running cloud cost tooling you probably are one of those people.
- akira2501 2y ago
- surfingdino 2y ago> Do you need a tool to tell you that the cloud is more expensive? Yes. If you want to make an argument for change in a business environment you need numbers.
- orochimaaru 2y agoIt’s the wrong question usually. The right question is how many more features and what revenue growth would you get by using cloud? How many less people would you need to employ? Would you need to manage facilities - worry about hardware, power, diesel generators, etc.? Cloud is more expensive. But you’re not stuck with capacity and sysadmin tickets.
- empath75 2y agoThis tool makes it relatively easy to find cost savings, and also to do chargebacks. Most kubernetes clusters waste tons of compute for no reason at all.
- outworlder 2y ago> Do you need a tool to tell you that the cloud is more expensive? More expensive than what? Doing your own? That depends on what you are doing. Often, the cloud is cheaper if you factor in the human cost. I've seen many spreadsheets that just quote the hardware costs.
- Dalewyn 2y agoNot only is it potentially cheaper, it can be better than rolling your own stuff in-house. Kadokawa can tell you all about how their in-house shit (literally, Japanese suck at computers) got pwned while the stuff they had in the cloud (I hate the term, but it is what it is) were unscathed. Keeping in-house has its benefits, but the costs are also steep.