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It's been working for me lately. Been making quite a few older friends, and it's nice to find they accept me despite maybe not voting the same way they do. Not

It's been working for me lately. Been making quite a few older friends, and it's nice to find they accept me despite maybe not voting the same way they do. Not for everybody, and there's a lot of churches not as conductive for it. If you grew up in that environment it may be comfortable for you. You just gotta bite your tongue during service when they conflate faith with candidate choice. May December 2024 arrive quickly.

shepherdjerred 2y ago
There are also plenty of more liberal churches out there, especially if you're in a city. Even in Arkansas I found a church or two that I found more reasonable.
zeven7 2y ago
Maybe check out an Acts 29 church. I don't know what they're all like, but the one I'm in is very against conflating faith with politics. Another option may be churches affiliated with 9Marks because I know the leader of it, who is a pastor on Capitol Hill in DC, was outspoken against getting involved in politics a decade ago. However, a lot has changed in a decade, and I haven't kept up. Of course, if you're happy with the community you have and are fine biting your tongue, that's fine as well.
- kylehotchkiss 2y ago
  Thanks! I actually gave acts29 a look and might consider switching over to one in the future. Interesting to see their map with options all over the world.
Micanthus 2y ago
Check out Unitarian Universalism if you're looking for a more liberal church community. If you follow a specific religion and care that the services talk about that it may not be for you, they don't have specific religious beliefs in the way that Christianity does. But the UU congregations I've seen are largely made from old hippies and their children and grandchildren, as well as ex-Christians and Muslims who grew disillusioned by their own congregations but still want a church community
mydriasis 2y ago
Joined an orthodox church last year. Hasn't been a single mention of politics in any way shape or form yet besides "the current climate is spooky, have faith and support one-another". It has been incredibly refreshing.
dangus 2y ago
Do they accept you? Or do they just not know who you really are? Would they accept you if you were someone different? > You just gotta bite your tongue during service when they conflate faith with candidate choice. Or you can report them to the IRS for illegal campaigning: https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/restriction-of-political-campaign-intervention-by-section-501c3-tax-exempt-organizations https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organiz.... IMO, the "I go to church for community but I don't agree with their views" crowd are essentially enablers. I'd rather not have community at all than give legitimacy and support to a cult that has a net negative impact on society.
- pc86 2y ago
  It's pretty clear they're talking about other churchgoers conflating faith and politics, which is not illegal.
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01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
> it's nice to find they accept me despite maybe not voting the same way they do. They don't accept me, if they vote for people who would make my life terrible for nobody's benefit
graemep 2y ago
Traditional denominations are probably less prone to party politics than evangelicals. In decades of going to Catholic and Anglican churches (not in the US, but in multiple varied places) I have never heard a candidate endorsed from the pulpit. The only political thing I recall was being told we should stand up for people of other religions who were at risk of persecution - apart from unarguable and nonspecific things about the poor
- kylehotchkiss 2y ago
  That's really beautiful :')
- eru 2y ago
  It might be more of a contemporary American thing than an 'evangelical' thing?
  - graemep 2y ago
    Possibly. The US also produced groups like "rad trad" Catholics.

shepherdjerred 2y ago

There are also plenty of more liberal churches out there, especially if you're in a city. Even in Arkansas I found a church or two that I found more reasonable.

zeven7 2y ago

Maybe check out an Acts 29 church. I don't know what they're all like, but the one I'm in is very against conflating faith with politics. Another option may be churches affiliated with 9Marks because I know the leader of it, who is a pastor on Capitol Hill in DC, was outspoken against getting involved in politics a decade ago. However, a lot has changed in a decade, and I haven't kept up. Of course, if you're happy with the community you have and are fine biting your tongue, that's fine as well.

kylehotchkiss 2y ago
Thanks! I actually gave acts29 a look and might consider switching over to one in the future. Interesting to see their map with options all over the world.

Micanthus 2y ago

Check out Unitarian Universalism if you're looking for a more liberal church community. If you follow a specific religion and care that the services talk about that it may not be for you, they don't have specific religious beliefs in the way that Christianity does. But the UU congregations I've seen are largely made from old hippies and their children and grandchildren, as well as ex-Christians and Muslims who grew disillusioned by their own congregations but still want a church community

mydriasis 2y ago

Joined an orthodox church last year. Hasn't been a single mention of politics in any way shape or form yet besides "the current climate is spooky, have faith and support one-another". It has been incredibly refreshing.

dangus 2y ago

Do they accept you? Or do they just not know who you really are? Would they accept you if you were someone different? > You just gotta bite your tongue during service when they conflate faith with candidate choice. Or you can report them to the IRS for illegal campaigning: https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/restriction-of-political-campaign-intervention-by-section-501c3-tax-exempt-organizations https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organiz.... IMO, the "I go to church for community but I don't agree with their views" crowd are essentially enablers. I'd rather not have community at all than give legitimacy and support to a cult that has a net negative impact on society.

pc86 2y ago
It's pretty clear they're talking about other churchgoers conflating faith and politics, which is not illegal.
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01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago

> it's nice to find they accept me despite maybe not voting the same way they do. They don't accept me, if they vote for people who would make my life terrible for nobody's benefit

graemep 2y ago

Traditional denominations are probably less prone to party politics than evangelicals. In decades of going to Catholic and Anglican churches (not in the US, but in multiple varied places) I have never heard a candidate endorsed from the pulpit. The only political thing I recall was being told we should stand up for people of other religions who were at risk of persecution - apart from unarguable and nonspecific things about the poor

kylehotchkiss 2y ago
That's really beautiful :')
eru 2y ago
It might be more of a contemporary American thing than an 'evangelical' thing?
- graemep 2y ago
  Possibly. The US also produced groups like "rad trad" Catholics.