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They’re a right wing organization, so just bear in mind they are most concerned about property rights and the right to participate in the free market without bu

They’re a right wing organization, so just bear in mind they are most concerned about property rights and the right to participate in the free market without burdensome regulation. Why is this downvoted and flagged? I didn’t say they are extreme right, but they clearly support conservative causes, including school vouchers. Am I wrong? They oppose government licensing. They stand up for the little guy against the government, but not against big corporations. I’m just saying, be aware what their agenda is before you sign on. And yes, in this case I absolutely agree with them. But, I wouldn’t support a lot of what they do.

tbrownaw 2y ago
> They’re a right wing organization, so just bear in mind they are most concerned about property rights and the right to participate in the free market without burdensome regulation. That description sounds more libertarian than right or left.
- OutOfHere 2y ago
  There is no such thing as the Libertarian party at this time after RFK Jr decided to drop out in favor of joining Trump. It's all just simple Conservative right wing.
DannyBee 2y ago
"but not against big corporations" Because that's literally not their mission: https://ij.org/about-us/ https://ij.org/about-us/ "Our mission is to end widespread abuses of government power ..." "IJ is the national civil liberties law firm that represents everyday people—free of charge—when the government violates their most important constitutional rights. ..." The fact that they choose to deal with government abuse of power and not corporate abuse of power seems totally reasonable and unrelated to left or right or whatever. I would not call them right wing simply because they have chosen to focus - all successful non-profit civil liberties law firms do this. Anything else is insane/impossible. I'm not sure why you are choosing to paint them with a left or right brush here, when it seems mainly complaining that their mission doesn't match what you seem to want. Most of the civil rights orgs that spend time dealing with corporate abuse of power either ignore or don't take government abuse of power cases. I don't think that classifies them as "left wing" or "right wing" either. It's just pragmatic for what they can accomplish.
- metabagel 2y ago
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  - jay-barronville 2y ago
    > Freedom from having to go to school with non-white children (that's the root of the school choice dog whistle). That’s such a bizarre take. You don’t think non-white parents want school choice too? I’m black and I believe in school choice. My wife is an academic in the field of education and a former teacher, and she also believes in school choice (her perspective on this topic is very nuanced though). Growing up in the inner cities, I watched black parents, including my own, do just about everything possible (e.g., use the address of a family member who lives in a better area, ask their boss to allow the use of their address, get a short-term roommate arrangement in a better area, etc.) to try to get their children into better schools than the objectively terrible public schools we had in our neighborhoods. If anything, my very own upbringing and experience is the biggest reason I have to support school choice. Why turn this into a divisive white versus the others narrative instead of working to have a good-faith understanding of the issue? How does that help anything?
  - DannyBee 2y ago
    “I don't think that's really the case.“ Evidence? I’ve interned at a larger one and learned a lot about the others along the way. So I’m basing this on experience. What are you basing this on?
ch4s3 2y ago
They are specifically civil-libertarians and not in fact “right wing.” The in fact do a ton of work on behalf of poor people to help ensure that justice is available regardless of your financial means.
- metabagel 2y ago
  Sure, but it's a narrow kind of justice in service of the type of society they would like to live in - one which doesn't happen to have any social safety net, public services, regulations, professional licensing, etc. And again, I think it's great that they took this case, because it's egregious. But, I just don't support their broader agenda.
  - paranoidrobot 2y ago
    I don't see any evidence that they're against these things. Care to provide some kind of citations?
  - ch4s3 2y ago
    Fighting exclusionary zoning, corrupt uses of imminent domain, and abusive civil forfeiture are among the primary goals of the IJ. None of that undermines a safety net or public services. Historically in the US professional licensing has primarily existed to exclude immigrants and racial minorities from lucrative careers, and should be reformed as a moral imperative. This is not a right wing position.
- zmgsabst 2y ago
  Right wing populists do those things too; their disagreement is about how to administer those programs. That’s part of what facilitated the political rotation where left and right populists formed the Unity Party (Trump, Kennedy, Gabbard, et al), while classic statists such as Cheney and Clinton allied into the Uniparty.
ta988 2y ago
Unfortunately it seems nobody on the left cares about the government executive force robbing citizens.
opo 2y ago
>They’re a right wing organization, They usually define themselves as a libertarian organization which seems a much more accurate way of describing them. >...they clearly support conservative causes, "Liberals" don't support ending qualified immunity? Reforming laws that prevent convicts from being able to get a job is a "conservative" cause? etc. It wouldn't surprise me that some people who consider themselves conservative would disagree with and other cases that some people who consider themselves liberal would disagree with. On their web site they say "Our mission is to end widespread abuses of government power and secure the constitutional rights that allow all Americans to pursue their dreams." https://ij.org/about-us/ https://ij.org/about-us/

tbrownaw 2y ago

> They’re a right wing organization, so just bear in mind they are most concerned about property rights and the right to participate in the free market without burdensome regulation. That description sounds more libertarian than right or left.

OutOfHere 2y ago
There is no such thing as the Libertarian party at this time after RFK Jr decided to drop out in favor of joining Trump. It's all just simple Conservative right wing.

DannyBee 2y ago

"but not against big corporations" Because that's literally not their mission: https://ij.org/about-us/ https://ij.org/about-us/ "Our mission is to end widespread abuses of government power ..." "IJ is the national civil liberties law firm that represents everyday people—free of charge—when the government violates their most important constitutional rights. ..." The fact that they choose to deal with government abuse of power and not corporate abuse of power seems totally reasonable and unrelated to left or right or whatever. I would not call them right wing simply because they have chosen to focus - all successful non-profit civil liberties law firms do this. Anything else is insane/impossible. I'm not sure why you are choosing to paint them with a left or right brush here, when it seems mainly complaining that their mission doesn't match what you seem to want. Most of the civil rights orgs that spend time dealing with corporate abuse of power either ignore or don't take government abuse of power cases. I don't think that classifies them as "left wing" or "right wing" either. It's just pragmatic for what they can accomplish.

metabagel 2y ago
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- jay-barronville 2y ago
  > Freedom from having to go to school with non-white children (that's the root of the school choice dog whistle). That’s such a bizarre take. You don’t think non-white parents want school choice too? I’m black and I believe in school choice. My wife is an academic in the field of education and a former teacher, and she also believes in school choice (her perspective on this topic is very nuanced though). Growing up in the inner cities, I watched black parents, including my own, do just about everything possible (e.g., use the address of a family member who lives in a better area, ask their boss to allow the use of their address, get a short-term roommate arrangement in a better area, etc.) to try to get their children into better schools than the objectively terrible public schools we had in our neighborhoods. If anything, my very own upbringing and experience is the biggest reason I have to support school choice. Why turn this into a divisive white versus the others narrative instead of working to have a good-faith understanding of the issue? How does that help anything?
- DannyBee 2y ago
  “I don't think that's really the case.“ Evidence? I’ve interned at a larger one and learned a lot about the others along the way. So I’m basing this on experience. What are you basing this on?

ch4s3 2y ago

They are specifically civil-libertarians and not in fact “right wing.” The in fact do a ton of work on behalf of poor people to help ensure that justice is available regardless of your financial means.

metabagel 2y ago
Sure, but it's a narrow kind of justice in service of the type of society they would like to live in - one which doesn't happen to have any social safety net, public services, regulations, professional licensing, etc. And again, I think it's great that they took this case, because it's egregious. But, I just don't support their broader agenda.
- paranoidrobot 2y ago
  I don't see any evidence that they're against these things. Care to provide some kind of citations?
- ch4s3 2y ago
  Fighting exclusionary zoning, corrupt uses of imminent domain, and abusive civil forfeiture are among the primary goals of the IJ. None of that undermines a safety net or public services. Historically in the US professional licensing has primarily existed to exclude immigrants and racial minorities from lucrative careers, and should be reformed as a moral imperative. This is not a right wing position.
zmgsabst 2y ago
Right wing populists do those things too; their disagreement is about how to administer those programs. That’s part of what facilitated the political rotation where left and right populists formed the Unity Party (Trump, Kennedy, Gabbard, et al), while classic statists such as Cheney and Clinton allied into the Uniparty.

ta988 2y ago

Unfortunately it seems nobody on the left cares about the government executive force robbing citizens.

opo 2y ago

>They’re a right wing organization, They usually define themselves as a libertarian organization which seems a much more accurate way of describing them. >...they clearly support conservative causes, "Liberals" don't support ending qualified immunity? Reforming laws that prevent convicts from being able to get a job is a "conservative" cause? etc. It wouldn't surprise me that some people who consider themselves conservative would disagree with and other cases that some people who consider themselves liberal would disagree with. On their web site they say "Our mission is to end widespread abuses of government power and secure the constitutional rights that allow all Americans to pursue their dreams." https://ij.org/about-us/ https://ij.org/about-us/