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To be intentionally provocative, who are we as a morally bankrupt capitalist-imperialistic-colonialist-white-supremacist-nation-built-on-slavery to tell the nob

To be intentionally provocative, who are we as a morally bankrupt capitalist-imperialistic-colonialist-white-supremacist-nation-built-on-slavery to tell the noble and pious people-of-color of the Middle East what they can and cannot do with their culture?

ClassyJacket 2y ago
People. We're people, and as such we get to make moral judgements. And it's obviously and pretty straightforwardly not okay to force women to cover themselves head to toe. This particular example is not even difficult to deduct from some pretty basic axioms of morality, mainly that disadvantaging someone on the basis of their sex is wrong and that people should have personal freedom so long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.
- DrPimienta 2y ago
  >We're people, and as such we get to make moral judgements. And it's obviously and pretty straightforwardly not okay to force women to cover themselves head to toe. A lot of those women who cover themselves from head to toe believe it's the right thing to do, and also believe that forcing other women to do the same is the right thing to do. That's his point. What you believe is right and wrong is not the central basis for morality.
stranded22 2y ago
When I read about the women who, just a few years ago were able to chat and laugh in public, wear whatever they want, go to school, college, work and are now beaten/jailed/stoned/murdered for these things? I think this ‘provocative’ comment has forgotten the human element in this.
- DrPimienta 2y ago
  I believe that is his point. You (and most of us here) might think that this behavior is bad... But those people believe it is right. Who makes the decisions about what is right and what is wrong? There are Muslim women right now that march in Britain in the name of Sharia. Surely they should want more freedom and rights, and yet there they are, dressed in all black garb marching for their "oppressors" They do so because they believe it is right.
  - det2x 2y ago
    > There are Muslim women right now that march in Britain in the name of Sharia This gets so overblown especially by people who benefit from this idea being spread, while the truth is that the amount of people who actually do want Sharia is very low and the amount of people who are actually "marching" to get it implemented is even lower.
    - DrPimienta 2y ago
      And? Those women believe that it's the right thing to do. That's my point.
      - Braini 2y ago
        Well then let them do it. The more interesting part is the "forcing others to do it" or "being forced by others to do it". The individual should be able to make this decision. But we both know thats not how it works.

ClassyJacket 2y ago

People. We're people, and as such we get to make moral judgements. And it's obviously and pretty straightforwardly not okay to force women to cover themselves head to toe. This particular example is not even difficult to deduct from some pretty basic axioms of morality, mainly that disadvantaging someone on the basis of their sex is wrong and that people should have personal freedom so long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.

DrPimienta 2y ago
>We're people, and as such we get to make moral judgements. And it's obviously and pretty straightforwardly not okay to force women to cover themselves head to toe. A lot of those women who cover themselves from head to toe believe it's the right thing to do, and also believe that forcing other women to do the same is the right thing to do. That's his point. What you believe is right and wrong is not the central basis for morality.

stranded22 2y ago

When I read about the women who, just a few years ago were able to chat and laugh in public, wear whatever they want, go to school, college, work and are now beaten/jailed/stoned/murdered for these things? I think this ‘provocative’ comment has forgotten the human element in this.

DrPimienta 2y ago
I believe that is his point. You (and most of us here) might think that this behavior is bad... But those people believe it is right. Who makes the decisions about what is right and what is wrong? There are Muslim women right now that march in Britain in the name of Sharia. Surely they should want more freedom and rights, and yet there they are, dressed in all black garb marching for their "oppressors" They do so because they believe it is right.
- det2x 2y ago
  > There are Muslim women right now that march in Britain in the name of Sharia This gets so overblown especially by people who benefit from this idea being spread, while the truth is that the amount of people who actually do want Sharia is very low and the amount of people who are actually "marching" to get it implemented is even lower.
  - DrPimienta 2y ago
    And? Those women believe that it's the right thing to do. That's my point.
    - Braini 2y ago
      Well then let them do it. The more interesting part is the "forcing others to do it" or "being forced by others to do it". The individual should be able to make this decision. But we both know thats not how it works.