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> "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on," Ellison said He's not even trying to

> "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on," Ellison said He's not even trying to frame it as "the weight of crime will be lifted from the people so they can prosper". It's "citizens will be on their best behavior". I've got a suspicion that he envisions a separate world for himself that does not involve such monitoring.

rsoto2 2y ago
Mid-covid lockdown when the virus was still fresh Larry emailed the entire company letting us know he was moving permanently to his private hawaiian island in order to "make it a better place" with the locals.
snapplebobapple 2y ago
It will still have that monitoring it will just be under his control with multiple layers of deletion possible depending on the severity of his crimes the cameras pick up (if there is a fire in his server room you can be pretty sure he raped or murdered someone). Atleast this is the silent part you are not supposed to say out loud that i picked up vibing from his comments.
- walterbell 2y ago
  If the goal of surveillance is behavior control, then invisible-to-camera status can become a commodity to be turned on/off based on evolving priorities, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41563571 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41563571. A few years ago, there was news coverage of an invisible-to-surveillance list in China.
  - dsq 2y ago
    'You can turn it off!' he said. 'Yes,' said O'Brien, 'we can turn it off. We have that privilege.' (Nineteen Eighty Four)
    - water-data-dude 2y ago
      Saved me looking up that exact quote, hahaha! An excellent book. I spent the first part of my life thinking it mainly spoke to the past (we learned our lesson, right?), and that a Brave New World style future was more likely, but now I think it’s deeper than that. Totalitarianism shows up because of a flaw in the human psyche, and we need to be fucking CAREFUL.
underlogic 2y ago
I wonder how behavior is defined exactly. Will future societies track eye focus and build a profile over time attached to a facial recognition database? Inappropriate gazing
- walterbell 2y ago
  “It's not just us keeping them apart. It's everyone in Beszel and everyone in Ul Qoma. Every minute, every day. We're only the last ditch: it's everyone in the cities who does most of the work. It works because you don't blink. That's why unseeing and unsensing are so vital. No one can admit it doesn't work. So if you don't admit it, it does. But if you breach, even if it's not your fault, for more than the shortest time ... you can't come back from that.” ― China Miéville, The City & the City

rsoto2 2y ago

Mid-covid lockdown when the virus was still fresh Larry emailed the entire company letting us know he was moving permanently to his private hawaiian island in order to "make it a better place" with the locals.

snapplebobapple 2y ago

It will still have that monitoring it will just be under his control with multiple layers of deletion possible depending on the severity of his crimes the cameras pick up (if there is a fire in his server room you can be pretty sure he raped or murdered someone). Atleast this is the silent part you are not supposed to say out loud that i picked up vibing from his comments.

walterbell 2y ago
If the goal of surveillance is behavior control, then invisible-to-camera status can become a commodity to be turned on/off based on evolving priorities, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41563571 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41563571. A few years ago, there was news coverage of an invisible-to-surveillance list in China.
- dsq 2y ago
  'You can turn it off!' he said. 'Yes,' said O'Brien, 'we can turn it off. We have that privilege.' (Nineteen Eighty Four)
  - water-data-dude 2y ago
    Saved me looking up that exact quote, hahaha! An excellent book. I spent the first part of my life thinking it mainly spoke to the past (we learned our lesson, right?), and that a Brave New World style future was more likely, but now I think it’s deeper than that. Totalitarianism shows up because of a flaw in the human psyche, and we need to be fucking CAREFUL.

underlogic 2y ago

I wonder how behavior is defined exactly. Will future societies track eye focus and build a profile over time attached to a facial recognition database? Inappropriate gazing

walterbell 2y ago
“It's not just us keeping them apart. It's everyone in Beszel and everyone in Ul Qoma. Every minute, every day. We're only the last ditch: it's everyone in the cities who does most of the work. It works because you don't blink. That's why unseeing and unsensing are so vital. No one can admit it doesn't work. So if you don't admit it, it does. But if you breach, even if it's not your fault, for more than the shortest time ... you can't come back from that.” ― China Miéville, The City & the City