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The only advantage I know of for the natural way is you can retain more muscle mass potentially[0], so your relative body composition is probably better than so

The only advantage I know of for the natural way is you can retain more muscle mass potentially[0], so your relative body composition is probably better than someone who lost 75 pounds with Ozempic (eg. Ozempic Face). [0]https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2024/02/ozempics-muscle-loss-problem/677326/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2024/02/ozempics-... [0-1] Especially if you: Try to consume about 1 gram of protein per day per gram of lean mass, lift weights, limit cardio intensity and duration (30 mins on stationary bike 3x a week worked for me)

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hombre_fatal 2y ago
In the first study (https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/nejmoa2032183 https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/nejmoa2032183), the semaglutide group lost less LBM than the control group. > the proportion of lean body mass relative to total body mass increased with semaglutide. In the second study (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13679-023-00534-z https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13679-023-00534-z), in the STEP 1 trial, the semaglutide group lost less LBM (40%) than the placebo group (56%).
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- djur 2y ago
  Yeah, the lean mass loss effect associated with GLP-1 agonists is just the effect of rapid weight loss without lifestyle and dietary changes other than calorie restriction. There's nothing about Ozempic etc. that keeps you from eating more protein, working out more, and so on (in fact, it makes it easier to do those things in most cases). People are noticing "Ozempic face" because the people who are losing weight through calorie restriction via GLP-1 agonists previously would have just failed at dieting and kept the weight on.
  - willcipriano 2y ago
    > There's nothing about Ozempic etc. that keeps you from eating more protein, working out more, and so on Except that the population that takes it never develops those skills.
    - consteval 2y ago
      Not necessarily true - it's a lot easier to workout when you're actively losing weight. Obese people aren't stupid, they've tried working out before. Turns out it's hard, it hurts, and the benefit you get from working out in relation to weight is slim to none. If they're on the right track already and their mind a little clearer, I'm sure it makes it more likely for them to work out. It's also easier to workout if you don't drink and smoke, which Ozempic also helps with.
      - djur 2y ago
        Thanks. Yes, this is exactly true, I can testify from personal experience. And GLP-1 agonists also often seem to make it easier for people to make good dietary decisions. When you're not driven as much by cravings, you will find it easier to resist hyperpalatable foods.

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hombre_fatal 2y ago

In the first study (https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/nejmoa2032183 https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/nejmoa2032183), the semaglutide group lost less LBM than the control group. > the proportion of lean body mass relative to total body mass increased with semaglutide. In the second study (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13679-023-00534-z https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13679-023-00534-z), in the STEP 1 trial, the semaglutide group lost less LBM (40%) than the placebo group (56%).

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djur 2y ago
Yeah, the lean mass loss effect associated with GLP-1 agonists is just the effect of rapid weight loss without lifestyle and dietary changes other than calorie restriction. There's nothing about Ozempic etc. that keeps you from eating more protein, working out more, and so on (in fact, it makes it easier to do those things in most cases). People are noticing "Ozempic face" because the people who are losing weight through calorie restriction via GLP-1 agonists previously would have just failed at dieting and kept the weight on.
- willcipriano 2y ago
  > There's nothing about Ozempic etc. that keeps you from eating more protein, working out more, and so on Except that the population that takes it never develops those skills.
  - consteval 2y ago
    Not necessarily true - it's a lot easier to workout when you're actively losing weight. Obese people aren't stupid, they've tried working out before. Turns out it's hard, it hurts, and the benefit you get from working out in relation to weight is slim to none. If they're on the right track already and their mind a little clearer, I'm sure it makes it more likely for them to work out. It's also easier to workout if you don't drink and smoke, which Ozempic also helps with.
    - djur 2y ago
      Thanks. Yes, this is exactly true, I can testify from personal experience. And GLP-1 agonists also often seem to make it easier for people to make good dietary decisions. When you're not driven as much by cravings, you will find it easier to resist hyperpalatable foods.