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Tyranny is pissing in a bottle lest ye be fired for malfeasance. Now the rest of the workers can experience it!

by benoau 2y ago

kriops 2y ago
Tyranny can only be enacted through force. Your example (while definitely unpleasant) is not an example of force. Find another word.
- monadINtop 2y ago
  If I dont go to work I starve. If I organise with my colleagues for a more favourable contract I will be removed by security guards. If we protest this we will be arrested by police. Are you able to only recognise force the moment blood is being spilled?
  - kriops 2y ago
    The initial premise is that the universe/nature imposes a requirement upon you to sustain life. Nature can not be a forceful actor by virtue of not being an actor. Same problem with several of the replies sibling to yours.
    - youssefabdelm 2y ago
      This is perhaps the best counterargument I've heard, and I will say, it still doesn't make it not a tyranny. Let's call it then the tyranny of nature/the universe. The promise of technological progress will eventually help us out of it I believe.
    - monadINtop 2y ago
      Is it not forceful if I dangle you over a cliff and tell you to run your pockets, by virture of the natural origin of the gravitational potential that will accelerate your body into a jagged rock face at terminal velocity should I release my grip?
- youssefabdelm 2y ago
  Marche ou crève (work or die)
- fn-mote 2y ago
  The example was literal. Force is not just violence. The threat of being fired is a use of force. I'm not clear if you missed the reference or think that this isn't force. I think it is. If you think otherwise, perhaps you could clarify where you think the line is. How about working in extremely hot conditions with no water breaks? Now do I think it is tyranny? No. I agree that there should be another word used. Citations: [1]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/05/24/delivery-drivers-sue-amazon-for-being-forced-to-pee-in-bottles/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/05/24/de... [2]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56628745 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56628745 "Amazon apologises for wrongly denying drivers need to urinate in bottles"

Tyranny is pissing in a bottle lest ye be fired for malfeasance. Now the rest of the workers can experience it!

by benoau 2y ago

Tyranny is pissing in a bottle lest ye be fired for malfeasance. Now the rest of the workers can experience it!

Tyranny can only be enacted through force. Your example (while definitely unpleasant) is not an example of force. Find another word.

monadINtop 2y ago
If I dont go to work I starve. If I organise with my colleagues for a more favourable contract I will be removed by security guards. If we protest this we will be arrested by police. Are you able to only recognise force the moment blood is being spilled?
- kriops 2y ago
  The initial premise is that the universe/nature imposes a requirement upon you to sustain life. Nature can not be a forceful actor by virtue of not being an actor. Same problem with several of the replies sibling to yours.
  - youssefabdelm 2y ago
    This is perhaps the best counterargument I've heard, and I will say, it still doesn't make it not a tyranny. Let's call it then the tyranny of nature/the universe. The promise of technological progress will eventually help us out of it I believe.
  - monadINtop 2y ago
    Is it not forceful if I dangle you over a cliff and tell you to run your pockets, by virture of the natural origin of the gravitational potential that will accelerate your body into a jagged rock face at terminal velocity should I release my grip?
youssefabdelm 2y ago
Marche ou crève (work or die)
fn-mote 2y ago
The example was literal. Force is not just violence. The threat of being fired is a use of force. I'm not clear if you missed the reference or think that this isn't force. I think it is. If you think otherwise, perhaps you could clarify where you think the line is. How about working in extremely hot conditions with no water breaks? Now do I think it is tyranny? No. I agree that there should be another word used. Citations: [1]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/05/24/delivery-drivers-sue-amazon-for-being-forced-to-pee-in-bottles/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/05/24/de... [2]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56628745 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56628745 "Amazon apologises for wrongly denying drivers need to urinate in bottles"