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I think you forgot to mention the parallel? I guess, seemingly, that would be "I had to work hard to pay my student debt, why should they get to have their pare

I think you forgot to mention the parallel? I guess, seemingly, that would be "I had to work hard to pay my student debt, why should they get to have their parents pay for it?" but that is not a sentiment that is common enough to speak of. Yeah, sure, I'm sure at least one person in history has had that thought before, but not the point of it being notable to talk about on HN. Most people who see another have their loans paid for think "Good for them". There must be something else? The "I had to work hard to pay my student loan, and now I have to work hard to pay yours too?" sentiment is much more common and I could see that show up here, but it is not a parallel. That's a very different idea that has no parallel. I don't have to work off the weight you lost.

Apocryphon 2y ago
The parallel was always there: "being against student loan debt forgiveness because one had to pay off one's own loans" > but that is not a sentiment that is common enough to speak of It crops up every time the issue is discussed online. On places like Twitter, at least. > I don't have to work off the weight you lost. Again, this blend of envy, spite, and petty injustice crops up quite often. "Why did I have to exercise when they could afford a gastric bypass?" You seem unfamiliar with how petty people can be online. There are plenty of people who get personally aggrieved when they think someone got a free lunch / might get a free lunch even when the lunch isn't paid by them / they were unfortunate enough to miss out on free lunch day. > that is not a sentiment that is common enough to speak of Sure it is.
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- randomdata 2y ago
  > It crops up every time the issue is discussed online. On places like Twitter, at least. Only when it pertains to government forgiveness, because of the bag holding problem. Nobody cares when it is an unrelated entity that is willing to become the bag holder (e.g. parents). In fact, it has become almost expected that entities like parents will become the bag holders when it comes to college debt. The bag holding problem is something quite different, not a parallel. > "Why did I have to exercise when they could afford a bypass?" So it crops up quite often, but only when it comes to weight loss-related matters?
  - Apocryphon 2y ago
    > So it crops up quite often, but only when it comes to weight loss-related matters? Do you know what class envy is
    - randomdata 2y ago
      I am familiar with the common use, but it speaks to people in a lower class envying those in a higher class. Here we have people in the same class, just with different paths to get there. So, you must have a pet definition? Regardless, I've never heard a "self-made" rich person complain "I had to work hard to get here. Why oh why wasn't I born rich like that Saudi prince?". They seem to only ever be proud that they were able to become rich. Again, I suppose it has probably happened once, but does not seem common enough to speak of.
      - Apocryphon 2y ago
        It might be more common in terms of political power rather than wealth. Nixon, for example, hated the Ivy League-educated eastern establishment ruling elites that he displaced.
        randomdata 2y ago
        Probably not, though, given that you couldn't find an example of envy and decided to randomly reach for hatred instead for some reason. Again, I suppose it has probably happened once, but is clearly not common enough to speak of (you literally were unable to speak of it).
        Apocryphon 2y ago
        Here, a House Representative questioning student loan relief announced in August 2022. Not framed as an issue of others paying for the debtors, but rather "what relief do those who already paid off their debt receive?" https://x.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1562461372851847168 https://x.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1562461372851847168 Senator Chuck Grassley: "For our government just to say ok your debt is completely forgiven.. it’s completely unfair" https://x.com/Acyn/status/1562530929838436355 https://x.com/Acyn/status/1562530929838436355 Reporter question during the announcement: "Mr. President, is this unfair to people who paid their student loans or chose not to take out loans?" https://www.c-span.org/video/?522478-1/president-biden-remarks-student-loan-debt-relief-plan https://www.c-span.org/video/?522478-1/president-biden-remar...

Apocryphon 2y ago

The parallel was always there: "being against student loan debt forgiveness because one had to pay off one's own loans" > but that is not a sentiment that is common enough to speak of It crops up every time the issue is discussed online. On places like Twitter, at least. > I don't have to work off the weight you lost. Again, this blend of envy, spite, and petty injustice crops up quite often. "Why did I have to exercise when they could afford a gastric bypass?" You seem unfamiliar with how petty people can be online. There are plenty of people who get personally aggrieved when they think someone got a free lunch / might get a free lunch even when the lunch isn't paid by them / they were unfortunate enough to miss out on free lunch day. > that is not a sentiment that is common enough to speak of Sure it is.

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randomdata 2y ago
> It crops up every time the issue is discussed online. On places like Twitter, at least. Only when it pertains to government forgiveness, because of the bag holding problem. Nobody cares when it is an unrelated entity that is willing to become the bag holder (e.g. parents). In fact, it has become almost expected that entities like parents will become the bag holders when it comes to college debt. The bag holding problem is something quite different, not a parallel. > "Why did I have to exercise when they could afford a bypass?" So it crops up quite often, but only when it comes to weight loss-related matters?
- Apocryphon 2y ago
  > So it crops up quite often, but only when it comes to weight loss-related matters? Do you know what class envy is
  - randomdata 2y ago
    I am familiar with the common use, but it speaks to people in a lower class envying those in a higher class. Here we have people in the same class, just with different paths to get there. So, you must have a pet definition? Regardless, I've never heard a "self-made" rich person complain "I had to work hard to get here. Why oh why wasn't I born rich like that Saudi prince?". They seem to only ever be proud that they were able to become rich. Again, I suppose it has probably happened once, but does not seem common enough to speak of.
    - Apocryphon 2y ago
      It might be more common in terms of political power rather than wealth. Nixon, for example, hated the Ivy League-educated eastern establishment ruling elites that he displaced.
      - randomdata 2y ago
        Probably not, though, given that you couldn't find an example of envy and decided to randomly reach for hatred instead for some reason. Again, I suppose it has probably happened once, but is clearly not common enough to speak of (you literally were unable to speak of it).
        Apocryphon 2y ago
        Here, a House Representative questioning student loan relief announced in August 2022. Not framed as an issue of others paying for the debtors, but rather "what relief do those who already paid off their debt receive?" https://x.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1562461372851847168 https://x.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1562461372851847168 Senator Chuck Grassley: "For our government just to say ok your debt is completely forgiven.. it’s completely unfair" https://x.com/Acyn/status/1562530929838436355 https://x.com/Acyn/status/1562530929838436355 Reporter question during the announcement: "Mr. President, is this unfair to people who paid their student loans or chose not to take out loans?" https://www.c-span.org/video/?522478-1/president-biden-remarks-student-loan-debt-relief-plan https://www.c-span.org/video/?522478-1/president-biden-remar...