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>of course, that isn't to say these things aren't useful - to have a methadone/suboxone dependency is way preferable to heroin addiction. Heroin will cause you

>of course, that isn't to say these things aren't useful - to have a methadone/suboxone dependency is way preferable to heroin addiction. Heroin will cause you to be sick. Suboxone will make you go into a blind rage so manic you will never find yourself without it. For those who actually "need" Suboxone, it is a magnitude easier to taper off of than the reasons for needing it - unfortunately a medical system with perverted incentives shrowd how (read: trivially, comfortably) easy it is to start and taper off of Suboxone, even from literally incredulous depths of synthetic opiate addiction - sometimes without even as much as a single iota of withdrawal. It is literally easier to start and taper with Suboxone without Big Pharma - with no paper work inhibiting your and jeopardizing your future in perpetuity, as a nice perk. Recreational suboxone use makes fentanyl look like a child's game. Methadone, however well-intentioned, or altruistic in its creators' motives, is a resignment to the inevitable life-long dependency. Chemical handcuffs.

JohnMakin 2y ago
> Methadone, however well-intentioned, or altruistic in its creators' motives, is a resignment to the inevitable life-long dependency. Chemical handcuffs. It’s of course less common these days but back from what I remember 20 or so years ago they did not inform patients very well to this reality. My experience was not for addiction, but was prescribed 10mg methadone daily for severe chronic pain, took it for a few years - that’s a relatively small dose and I cannot tell in plain English words how awful it was getting off of it. Tapering does not really work, the smallest reduction in dose will send you into just as severe withdrawal symptoms as if you cold turkey’d. I ended up buffering the withdrawal with tramadol, which was the only other thing I could take, but the entire process lasted about 6 months til I felt entirely normal again and the first month was 24/7 full blown acute withdrawals. I’ve since quit smoking cigarettes and laughed at how easy it was in comparison.

JohnMakin 2y ago

> Methadone, however well-intentioned, or altruistic in its creators' motives, is a resignment to the inevitable life-long dependency. Chemical handcuffs. It’s of course less common these days but back from what I remember 20 or so years ago they did not inform patients very well to this reality. My experience was not for addiction, but was prescribed 10mg methadone daily for severe chronic pain, took it for a few years - that’s a relatively small dose and I cannot tell in plain English words how awful it was getting off of it. Tapering does not really work, the smallest reduction in dose will send you into just as severe withdrawal symptoms as if you cold turkey’d. I ended up buffering the withdrawal with tramadol, which was the only other thing I could take, but the entire process lasted about 6 months til I felt entirely normal again and the first month was 24/7 full blown acute withdrawals. I’ve since quit smoking cigarettes and laughed at how easy it was in comparison.